RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 30, 2013 at 2:31 am
(This post was last modified: April 30, 2013 at 2:44 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(April 29, 2013 at 6:20 am)Tonus Wrote: Looks like Jennifer has some pretty poor options all around. But in the West, it seems as if her fate is at least dependent on her own choices.How is that? In Islam she only doesn't have the option of free sex
While in many western countries she doesn't have the option of marriage
It is very clear that Islam is better.
Quote:In the West, beating your wife is assault, and she also has the right of divorce if she's being assaulted. She also has the right to report the crime of assault and have that asshole arrested for being a scumbag.Same options in Islam!
A spank or a small punch is not usually a crime in most countries.
(April 29, 2013 at 3:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: Also it isn't under californian law that a 9 year old can be married, they removed the age of consent to be determined when the time comes for it needing to be determined but I seriously don't think a 9 year old has ever got married in california, i could be wrong but seriously doubt it.Theatrically it can be any age (even 6), also It is not only CA as most states allow under age marriage if the girl is already pregnant.
Which is better to allow marriage when a problem is already happened or to allow it (with regulations) from the start?
Quote:And the Islamic system strictly speaking is based on the quran, the quran says the husband can beat the wife if he fears arrogance from her, no mention of what she should do if she fears arrogance from him, no mention of tapping with a stick, which doesn't constitute beating or scourging as is mentioned in the quran.Yes, husband can beat his wife but not the other way
But beating is restricted to be not harmful, not in face it is like spanking or a small punch on the shoulder.
We are also allowed to beat our children, teachers are allowed to beat students in the same manner
It is sometimes very helpful, just compare crimes in US Schools to any Islamic country!
Quote:This is precisely what I mean when I say you view Islamic laws in the notion of a fantasy world where people will follow all of the rules and they will never be corruptible, but when you speak of western laws you just say "the 9 year old will have sex anyway, women get beaten anyway, the 10 year old will get pregnant anyway"People will do wrong under any system, but which system is more suitable to human needs? this the question
so can you see the problem with this? Whatever laws or systems I say are better than Islamic laws, for example not marrying 9 year olds and not beating them, you say "they will do it anyway" But when I argue that under islamic law children are forced into marriages, pulled out of education, become pregnant, you say this isn't islamic so I'll just use your argument, in countries where Islamic law is put in place "they do it anyway" as you say.
It is the Islamic laws that allow them to just do this type of thing anyway, and what makes it worse than the western laws is that they do it to 9 year old girls, and they can legally beat them following the quran.
And as you have been repeatedly shown, a lot of these horny 9 year olds out there you imagine exist, don't exist. Statistically speaking a lot of these 9 year olds don't just "do it anyway"
Banning young marriage has no point, it will happen any way, and it will have bad effects than regulating it
You see most US states allow it if the girl is pregnant (or had the child already)
Quote:You basically aren't arguing against fundamentals of the systems I mention you are just saying they will do it anyway to whatever laws I support, people murder anyway it doesn't mean there shouldn't be a law in place against it.Yes, but marriage is not a crime!