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Theists- do you believe without evidence?
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RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence?
(May 1, 2013 at 10:56 am)Tex Wrote: If matter/engery could exist under its own power, it would be infinite.

Why would it?

(May 1, 2013 at 10:56 am)Tex Wrote: For things to exist, Existence must be.

Ye-es... with you so far...

(May 1, 2013 at 10:56 am)Tex Wrote: If the universe was its own source, it wouldn't be limited in it's existence. Instead, the universe is finite, and therefore has a source of existence. This is the reasoning for 2 and 3.
Unfortuntely, you can only reach this conclusion by first making the assertion at the top of this reply, thus defining the terms of the argument in such a way as to assume your conclusion. This is reasoning, certainly, but it's very bad reasoning. We're back to my watch-damaging gremlins again, which I defined into existence to be the cause of watches to break, solely to make the argument work. However, my argument was critical commentary on yours - what's your excuse?

But let's grant all your definitions, assumptions and assertions; let's take your points as they stand, at face value, even though they cannot do so without massive support which you haven't provided. The Universe exists, it could not have caused itself and so must have had a cause. How do you get from there to a god exists? Let alone "God"? Give me the B that plugs in neatly between your A and C.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Dawud - April 27, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Soyouz - April 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by justin - April 27, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Cato - April 28, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Dawud - April 27, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tonus - April 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Dawud - April 27, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 27, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 27, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Dawud - April 27, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 27, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 27, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 28, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Re: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by frz - April 28, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 29, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by wwjs - April 29, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - April 29, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Tex - May 1, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: Theists- do you believe without evidence? - by Cyberman - May 1, 2013 at 12:14 pm

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