(May 1, 2013 at 10:56 am)Tex Wrote:(April 30, 2013 at 4:31 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why not?
If matter/engery could exist under its own power, it would be infinite. For things to exist, Existence must be. If the universe was its own source, it wouldn't be limited in it's existence. Instead, the universe is finite, and therefore has a source of existence. This is the reasoning for 2 and 3.
For God to exist, existence must be, and it must be independent of God. God could not have made himself exist. Any condition which permits the existence of a creator God must also permit the existence of a universe which came into existence unaided and at random. If you close the latter off, you also must close both off. If you assert that God is the uncaused cause, then you accept that uncaused causes are possible, and all hypotheses which rely on uncaused causes are automatically equally plausible, because by this point, you're so far into metaphysics that you are left without any way to prove, even metaphysically, that only God can be a prime mover.
There comes a point where you simply cannot move the goalposts any further.
