A challenge about women and marriage in Islam

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9 year olds *do* have sex... but it's usually with someone accessible, who they are 'close' with. Often this is something like their 'best friend', a pet, a sibling/cousin about the same age, a teacher, an aunt/uncle or close family friend, and more rarely, a parent. Seriously, if they want it, and their guardians deem it as 'safe': they should certainly be allowed to go for it (other party willing, of course).

No they shouldn't be allowed to have sex with a cousin because of interbreeding issues, teachers for so many moral reasons that a teacher is in a position of authority and is abusing their power, same with auntie and uncle for both previous reasons, or a pet because that's animal abuse.

Interbreeding issues? Oh... you mean like the fact that it's no more harmful to a child than if the woman who bears the child is 40 or older?

Abusing their power? And here I thought that was called doing your job: teaching.

When you're nine, and your animals talk to you... you don't really see it as animal abuse. At least, that's what I'm guessing, from watching two of my nieces manhandle (and in one case, throw) their animals. Subjective morality, dawg.

Even if their parents think this is fine then their parents shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Why that's a roit hoity toity statement you've made roit there.

Heaven forbid you ever become a despot

At a later age people are more likely to have formed their personality fully, I don't know of anyone who was as wise or as mature at 9 years old as they are now.

Nobody ever forms their personality fully (unless you count their person as 'fully developed' the moment before they die, which I could understand and agree with), and I don't know of anyone wise today who wasn't wiser when they were nine. The less you know, the wiser you grow!

Put it into context when I was 9 i was intimidated by teenagers.

Put it into context... when I was four, I was proposing marriage to a 20-something german lass. Never developed any fear of people older than me, in spite of abuses, in spite of accidents, in spite of bullying... just not a fearful sort of character, yknow?

But I can't watch horror for shit... and need cuddles afterwards :X

Now think about a 9 year old girl, is she going to be intimidated by adults?

Unless the adults or her parents/somesuch give her reason to be intimidated? I mean... children are fucking brats. You give them a command, they answer your command with not following your command, and the only way to get them to understand their place is to demonstrate that might makes right

What about an adult who is married to her and tells her to shut up and not tell anyone after he abuses her?

Oh, you mean like most abuse victims who aren't nine? Let's see... how much of that gets reported again-oh right!

Age is relevant in this situation... how?

So why put them in a position to be married to an adult when as you have pointed out this puts them in a position which is likely to result in abuse?

Why put *anyone* in a position to be married if we're worried about abuse this much? DOWN WITH THE INSTITUTION, MAN!

Time for the counter example... why not put them in a position to be married to an adult when this puts them in a position likely to bring easy wealth to them, good education to them, safety to them, security to them, and an emotionally/sexually positive environment?

After all... isn't that what marriage is all about, and the reason peasants adopted it from the aristocracy?