(May 6, 2013 at 9:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The point of my story is this. The mechanic knows more than I do. The physicist knows more than both me and the mechanic. And while the priest may know nothing about cars or physics, he does know something that adds to our understanding of the world: the contribution of intelligent agency. As it applies to my critics, the key starting the engine is not a brute fact; there is more to be known. The operation of the engine is not a brute fact; there is more to be known. And I’m saying if we call the laws of physics a brute fact, then we have stopped short. There is more to be known, especially with respect to why the law of cause and effects works.
In addition, positing the existence of god or transcendent influences will not stop reasoned inquiry. One unique feature of the Christian thought is the belief that god can be known. “God did it” is not the end of my curiosity; it is the beginning. God did it, but I still want to know how, why and understand more about His nature. The minute you say, that’s just a brute fact, you have stopped thinking about it. And it’s okay to presuppose something as a brute fact IF it explains everything that needs to be explained. Laws of parsimony only apply between two theories with equal explanatory power. LPS, you haven’t saved a step. Instead you’re leaving half of the problem on the table.
I see your god agent as a presupposition with nothing to back it up.
You want there to be something more fundamental than the observed world and you call it god.
I ask why do you require that god? that extra fundamental thing of the world?
Why stop at one god? why not go further and inquire if god cannot be itself held together by some other entity?...
The brute facts are what we can measure. The Universe is what it is... maybe not entirely as we see it, given that we have a small lens into it, but I'd say we see pretty much as it is.
If you know there's more to be known, then how do we get access to such knowledge? How did you gain that access? How did you come to know about that god thing that keeps space-time together?