Dear Christians

[Rayaan]

Yeah right. You don't stop trolling me until it's your turn to reply. Then nothing.

I guess I really can't do anything if you don't' believe me ...

Oh well.

You quote an Islam website on another religion. Are you serious?!

Yes, but my point still remains correct that Arab Jews and Christians have been calling God "Allah" for centuries, which you denied earlier.

And lol to those videos.

Very amusing, eh? Especially when you get proven to be wrong.

If you want the counter argument to your link, it's here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses...entity.htm

And I am not convinced by the counter arguments at all ... sorry, pal.

Well your Wikipedia link says differently. "Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god"

You left out the important part in that quote which I will include below:

Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god, but this is a matter of antiquarian interest ... it is clear from Nabataean and other inscriptions that Allah meant 'the god'.

And I posted more things on the moon god theory which you haven't addressed in your post.

And I explained to you the Christian response to that, which you thanked me for. Unlike in Islam, Christianity is consistent with Judaic theology. This speaks volumes to me about your claims of flawed interpretation. But I'm not here to argue with you about it. I have merely stated that there are differences. Islam has a vested interest in making God and Allah the same. You have to argue it I guess.

No problem if you don't want to argue about it. I don't have much interest in arguing about that either, so ... let's just save our time.

You touch upon the simple difference betwen our faiths, the trinity, but fail to address the meat of the argument: the evolutionary step I refer to, mentioned above.

You mean that God came down to earth in the form of a man and then crucified himself on a cross and then came back to life just to make a sacrifice?

Whoa, dude. That really is a great evolutionary step.

The Judaic God and the Christian God are identical, from the Old Testament. the interpretation of the trinity causes some post interpretation perhaps, but the reading is exactly the same. Jesus as a Jew links directly to Judaism and Judaic law. There is no misheard approximations as found in the words of Mohammed... the trinity of the the father, mother and son, for example.

I disagree because according to the Old Testament - just like in Islam - it is considered to be a great blasphemy and a sin to attribute Jesus as being God Himself or anything of that sort. To the Jews and Muslims, Jesus was only a Prophet of God, nothing else. And he didn't come to earth to perform any kind of a sacrifice on himself for anyone's sins. However, one of the core beliefs of Christianity is the death of Jesus/God as an "atonement" for sins. That is one of the central beliefs of Christians today which are in contradiction with Muslim and Jewish beliefs.

The two lectures below (from a Rabbi) explain how authors of the Bible have changed and misinterpreted the Old Testament to such an extent that they themselves have misled Christians like yourself about the original teachings on God, His attributes, and His relation to man ... all which you merely think you know.

Amazing Differences Between Christianity & Judaism

Judaism vs Christianity: Parting the Ways

Christianity isn't a 3rd party bolt on. It's a continuation from the source material.

Well, if it's really a continuation, and if the Gospels are unchanged and if everything is translated correctly from the original Hebrew, then there shouldn't be any contradictions between the OT and the NT, but there are. You can see some of those contradictions and inconsistencies between them at the link below:

Why Jews Cannot Accept the New Testament

I was looking for this earlier - a nice tableture comparison between the 3 Abrahamic faiths: http://christianityinview.com/xncomparison.html

And that comparison further supports my opinion that the Islamic and the Judaic concepts of God have a greater similarity between them than they have with that of Christianity.

Not to mention that the whole Trinity aspect is indeed a major difference, not a minor one.

Damn. And another: http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/compa...ianity.htm

Same as above.

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Let me get this straight... are you saying that the Christian God and Allah are the same god or not?

Yes, but just not the same as the altered and re-defined "Christian God" whom you believe became the man Jesus.

There is even some evidence that the first Christians did not worship Jesus as God:
http://www.amazon.com/Did-First-Chri.../dp/0664231969

In the light of such reflection and conclusion the particular question, 'Did the first Christians worship Jesus?', can be seen to be much less relevant, less important and potentially misleading. It can be answered simply, or simplistically, even dismissively, with a mainly negative answer. No, by and large the first Christians did not worship Jesus as such. Worship language and practice at times do appear in the New Testament in reference to Christ. But on the whole, there is more reserve on the subject. Christ is the subject of praise and hymn-singing, the content of early Christian worship, more than the one to whom the worship and praise is offered.

- James Dunn, Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?, p.150