(May 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: You can't prove there aren't millions of humans on Mercury who were taken there centuries ago by aliens who had the technology to terraform certain areas of Mercury so that humans could live safely in a place not unlike Center Parcs.
You can't prove Nora (or Jenna) isn't tied to my bed right now as I'm writing this. You can use logic to say she probably isn't, just as we can use logic to say there probably isn't a god, but you can't prove it. Even if you came to my house right now and looked, I could have untied her in the time between now and your arrival.
I need to develop my argument:
Theoretically I can prove that no humans on Mercury through more developed technology, i.e if I have the efficient tools which can scan the surface of mercury and even its inside I will be able to prove there are no humans there.
If I put a secret permanent spy camera in your bedroom I will be able to prove there is no one tied to your bed.
Of course there are cases when we can't prove that something exists or doesn't, but I am just against generalization. So, logically: proving that something doesn't exist or an event didn't happen is not impossible at all cases.
(May 10, 2013 at 1:20 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: And you do not understand probability. Probabilities can only be established after observing a large number of examples of the event. How many gods have you observed? What kind of probability distribution did you establish? Did you publish your studies?
There is no thing wrong about what I said. I understand probability but I don't understand you

but it's ok ... it doesn't matter

(May 10, 2013 at 1:20 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Unless you have demonstrated such an origin by repeatable experiment you are just pissing up a rope.
You are right ...and this is why I am an atheist, but again it is better to have imaginations and be open-minded to strange ideas.
Look .... for deep religious people the non-existence of God is a strange idea located in the impossibilities.
(May 10, 2013 at 1:20 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:Quote: there are other probabilities such as the thought of that we live in a "fake" world or we live in a "computer" manufactured by other creatures out of our Nature and physics .... They will then be "metaphysical" creatures, but not deities or gods in the popular senses. It is another probability which is not equal to zero, but I have some critiques against it.
That does not differ from randomly stringing words together, aka gibberish.
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Maybe

OK, seriously, If you can develop a very advanced artificial intelligence... If you can simulate the human consciousness in an advanced computer ... If you can make a virtual reality in which "intelligent beings" "live" ... If you can do that, what will prevent you from thinking that we live in a virtual reality made by other creatures?
In the virtual reality which you make you can make any set of laws which intelligent beings there will discover (you will choose their physics even if you are not restricted tho this physics), so your existence will be "metaphysical" with respect to them.
This is what I meant.
(May 10, 2013 at 1:20 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: No logon no god QED
I don't know if you are serious or not, but it seems a fair demand.

Regards, Nony-Mouse
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