A challenge about women and marriage in Islam

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Islam and Christianity are both religions they have no actions so what you are saying is correct but makes no point.

Islam and Christianity are nothing without a mind that knows them, just as the rest of this universe is nothing without a mind what knows it. What I'm saying is that the difference between a casual observer and someone who studies something is significant, and the ones who study the thing are likely better informed about it's true nature (if indeed there is an objective-anything).

One man speaks Islam, a studied observation of Mohammed's revelations and the histories recorded within the Koran... another man speaks themselves, and justifies their behavior by saying it is Islam... oft without a clue or a concern as to what Islam actually might be.

Islam is a belief and if the majority of Muslims believe that Muhammad married a 9 year old girl and that he is a role model then that is the Islamic system of belief.

All of knowledge is belief.

Do a majority of Muslims actually believe that Muhammad married a 9 year old girl, or are you talking out of your ass... again?

And no... this would not be an Islamic system of belief, but the belief of people who call themselves Mussulmen Just like in science, we don't base our scientific understandings off of the majority of people who call themselves scientists, we base it off of the application of the scientific method (Science) by well-studied professors of the scientific method.

Or maybe you do in fact.. do that 0.o

I can only argue against what I know the majority of Muslims I've talked to believe in including the poster of this thread. I can't argue against something you discovered recently based on what some theologians said.

I discovered such... recently?

Maybe you would be better served to educate such Muslims within Islam than to leave them to believe such silly notions, then?

Whether or not you can argue is pointless, really. Whether or not you can learn, on the other hand...

Their lack of experience, immaturity, their bodies are smaller and weaker, they are usually more reliant upon their parents at that age or guardian. More likely to die from childbirth if they do get pregnant.

What does maturity even mean? Certainly, a nine year old has a moderate possibility of being 'less experienced' than a 10 year old, as such has a possibility of being 'more experienced' than an 11 year old... but then: why does experience matter in the first place? What *constitutes* experience? What *constitutes* maturity?

I'll give you that their bodies are typically smaller and weaker than that of a healthy adult, but are they so much smaller and weaker than a 12 year old? How much larger and stronger are they than a 5 year old? Why does smallness impact vulnerability? There are plenty of benefits to being small, which make one less vulnerable in many scenarios... Why do you count smallness among one's vulnerabilities? Is not largeness also a vulnerability?

The last complaint can be complete nullified with contraception, abortion, or abstinence (marriageable, but not fuckable). Or, if the birth is going to happen: C-sections save lives Them being more likely to die of childbirth than an adult is more probably due to the inferior medical facilities in places where nine year olds are more commonly getting pregnant, and we should see this with deaths from births data among adults, yes? Well, we do:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...3rank.html

Here's a picture of data like it to save you time.



So how does this correspond with child marriage (not just marriage of nine year olds, right?)

http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures

1 Niger 75
2 Chad 72
3 Bangladesh 66
4 Guinea 63
5 Central African Republic 61
6 Mali 55
7 Mozambique 52
8 Malawi 50
9 Madagascar 48
10 Sierra Leone 48
11 Burkina Faso 48
12 India 47
13 Eritrea 47
14 Uganda 46
15 Somalia 45
16 Nicaragua 43
17 Zambia 42
18 Ethiopia 41
19 Nepal 41
20 Dominican Republic 40

My, what an interesting correlation. I can't imagine how they came by the statistic that women in their teens are many times more likely to die during childbirth... not only is it naturally more dangerous, but the medical facilities of this list of twenty... well, you've seen the little picture of countries by maternal death above, yes?

Because I think 9 year olds should be more focused on their education over having sex and becoming pregnant and raising a child.

Okay, hold onto your hats... we're getting there:

*Why* do you think 9-year olds should be more focused on education over having sex and becoming pregnant and raising a child?

If you haven't then you're on the wrong thread.

... I mentioned something about control-freakiness, yes?

Not everything's about you, and what you want. If you can't get over that: stop responding to my posts.

Is there clearly a relationship between "biological and psychological maturity and age"?

Yes.

Also I still don't know what a "logically defendable legalization tool" is you still haven't explained this to me.

Okay, so how about you define this clear relationship between "biological and psychological maturity and age" to me? Shouldn't be too hard if it's obvious... right?

Umm, two posts ago:

I used the 'wrong word' in legalization (though I'd contend it is half-applicable, and that what I meant was perfectly understandable)... 'Legal tool' just sounds weird, there's probably a name for it, but it's not coming to me right now.

http://youtu.be/7wVagQ_LVd4?t=2m1s