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Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian
(May 11, 2013 at 11:27 am)Stimbo Wrote: Nice try, but the burden of proof is still yours, since I am not claiming the belief you ascribe to me. I merely asked you to justify your statement. Apparently you cannot.

Fair enough. I will endeavour to justify my position; I will use "multiple interpretations of quantum mechanics" as an example. An interpretation of quantum mechanics takes the following into consideration: (1) the phenomenology (empircal observations) — for example the double slit experiment and the seemingly bizarre behaviour of elementary particles (photons and electrons) — and (2) the mathematical formalisms used to describe quantum mechanics. Each interpretation of quantum mechanics, such as the "Copenhagen Interpretation", is an interpretation of the aforementioned phenomenology and mathematical formalism. There are some interpretations of quantum mechanics that are vastly more complex than others. For example Hugh Everett's "Many Worlds Interpretation" is more complex than the Copenhagen Interpretation. Even though the Many Worlds Interpretation is more complex than competing interpretations, a lot of physicists are proponents of it because they believe it makes more sense of the aforementioned phenomenology et cetera. Ockham's Razor (the simplest explanation wins) clearly does not apply in this kind of situation. There are many other examples that I could give.

It is also interesting to note that William of Ockham was also a theologian.

(May 11, 2013 at 11:27 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(May 10, 2013 at 9:26 am)Love Wrote: I disagree with you that it is loaded language or that I used it pejoratively. Does it come across as negative to you? If so, why? Pure reason appeals to a lot of atheists, so I do not see what is wrong with using the term "atheistic rationalists".
Then why not simply "rationalists"? I don't see the word 'atheistic' as negative, but obviously you must do if you chose to label them as such. Were I to employ the term "theistic irrationalists" as freely as you do yours, would you be happy with letting it pass without comment?

I honestly do not see what is wrong with this. If we take Isaiah Berlin, for example, he was a proponent of relativism and anti-rationalism, and had some extremely interesting ideas about the limits of rationalism/pure reason. If you're not already aware of such, perhaps read about the "Counter-Enlightenment". To reiterate, I am not using the term "atheistic rationalist" in the pejorative sense; I am using it from the perspective of epistemology.
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Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 8:38 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Aractus - April 19, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Aractus - April 19, 2013 at 8:58 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - April 19, 2013 at 9:03 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by RosaRubicondior - April 19, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Aractus - April 19, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:19 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Ben Davis - April 19, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Kayenneh - April 19, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:59 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - April 19, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by tokutter - April 19, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Psykhronic - April 19, 2013 at 10:21 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Whateverist - April 19, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Baalzebutt - April 19, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 11:14 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by JesusHChrist - April 19, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by LastPoet - April 19, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by LastPoet - April 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by JesusHChrist - April 19, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 11:37 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 11:55 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Whateverist - April 19, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - April 19, 2013 at 1:01 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by fr0d0 - April 21, 2013 at 3:16 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Minimalist - April 29, 2013 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 5:51 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Ryantology - May 4, 2013 at 4:26 am
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Simon Moon - May 4, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Whateverist - May 4, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - May 4, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - May 4, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 4, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Simon Moon - May 4, 2013 at 12:01 pm
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RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - May 7, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 8, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - May 9, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 10, 2013 at 9:26 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Cyberman - May 11, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: Ex-"New Atheist", Now Christian - by Love - May 13, 2013 at 2:30 pm

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