RE: I don't believe theists and reject their claims of theism.
May 14, 2013 at 8:56 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2013 at 8:58 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 14, 2013 at 4:27 am)goodnews Wrote: The book of Job, chapter 38 written aproximatly 2000 BC, verse 1 to 4 The LORD for our benefit is giveing Job a ticking off by demanding answers of him by asking, where he was when He laid the foundations of the earth, and so tells Job to declaire his understanding of these matters, to which of course Job can not, verse 5 to 37 God slips us a few scientific facts of His creation , / 12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dawn to know its place; Here God is speeking of the sun rise, / 13 God makes a referance to the light overtakeing the darkness, / 14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. here God explains night and day by depicting earth as clay being turned or rotated on a potters wheel, and the light of the day and the darkness of night, are but garments the earth puts on and takes off . So here you have it the scriptures speek of the earth rotating on its axis , and this is how we have a sun set and a sun rise, whilst ancient science taught a geocentric view that the sun revolved around the earth . go figar. ps: The revelations that continue in this chapter of Job are also thousands of years ahead of their time , and the founder of modern oceanography and hydrography Matthew Maury stands as a testiment to this irifutable fact to this very day.
Isn't it amusing, that a person who is aware of the relationship of the earth to the sun and its general position and movement through the solar system - gleaned from an education that was stymied at every point by religious faith - reads those passages and interprets them as being somehow supportive of their much more well developed understanding of all the above then anything that was exhibited by the authors or even remotely suggested by the text?
Dawn needs no "commanding", and has no "place". What scientific fact?
Light does not overtake darkness - this is just an allusion to a long running spiritual theme. What scientific fact?
Turning something as clay to a seal is a reference to a change in visual appearance - I'll let this one pass, we can't see at night, some observation there - fucking brilliant.
But where did you get the idea of a potters wheel (do you see anything in those passages about a potters wheel), -you were looking for something connected to clay and the rotation you understand gleaned from somewhere other than the text. Do you generally spin around in circles while you dress or undress? I don't.
There are no revelations in that chapter, and nothing there is in any way ahead of it's time even as prose. The allusions, the allegories are all firmly entrenched in the timeframe - the only salient observation of any scientific reality beyond the text is that we can't see at night.....and something tells me that we didn;t have to wait for word from any god to figure that one out
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