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5 Levels of the Faith. My personal observation.
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RE: 5 Levels of the Faith. My personal observation.
(May 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm)apophenia Wrote:


My view may be an exaggeration, or, at least, not describe all the believers that exist, but I think it's likely closer to the mark. The view advocated here seems to suggest that there is a significant discrepancy between what the person believes, what they represent themselves to believe, and what they are capable of realizing is true, if they'd only let themselves accept and acknowledge that truth. This is the view that religious belief involves cognitive dissonance, a lot of it, and that strong forces must be deployed to maintain that dissonance without reconciling it by acknowledging "The Real Truth[tm]." It is basically the view that all believers are either liars, mentally ill, stupid, or willful dupes, because any "normal" person would recognize the problems with their religion as problems and do something about it. I don't think this is accurate. I don't think being a religious believer requires significantly more cognitive dissonance than any other belief, from libertarianism to vegetarianism. This is a part of the warp and woof of the way humans and reality are, and attempting to explain it by inventing contorted positions to explain it just because it seems strange and inexplicable to you suggests to me that you are simply naive and ignorant. (Do you need to go to great lengths to remain ignorant on these points?)

LOL. You seem very offended by the fact that put an opinion out there, daring to question the faith of professing believers. And yet the Bible dares do that very thing:

Revelation 3:
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

This is only one of many references the Bible makes to levels of faith.

Perhaps the writers of the Bible are naive and ignorant. Why do I immediately get the feeling you do not take that position?

Could it be that I touched a nerve here. Could it be that you fit one of these descriptions?
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RE: 5 Levels of the Faith. My personal observation. - by smax - May 25, 2013 at 11:40 pm

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