(June 1, 2013 at 11:35 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(June 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Consilius Wrote: Are you going to insist that, out of every Christian on this planet, not one of them has presented a logical argument for Christianity?
No, but I will insist that every argument that I am aware of hasn't been logically sound.
(June 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Consilius Wrote: There is nothing beneficial evolutionarily about martyrdom or turning the other cheek.
Not everything that is a result of evolution benefits evolution directly. Many times traits come about that are by-products of other beneficial traits.
Anyways, can you prove that evolution cannot account for those things?
The goal of natural selection is to get a species to survive and reproduce. If we all died for our girlfriends, they would have no means of passing on our genes. According to evolution, this is stupid. To Christians as well as to many non-Christians, this can be described as touching, or righteous, or selfless. It would get positive reviews in general.
But feel free to explain how evolution can account for these things. I would find it interesting.
(June 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Consilius Wrote: Nobody is certain about if the god they worship is there or not, but some of them are pretty sure.
I appreciate the admittance that people can't be certain that god is there or not, but many of the theists that come here claim to know that their god exists.
Regardless, conviction of the human mind that something is real has no bearing on its actual existence. This is why many people put so much emphasis on verifiable evidence.
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No belief system is united. Some will make others look stupid. Like Westboro Baptist. I'm sure a number of atheists didn't read "On the Origin of Species" correctly. Even Abraham had no need for absolute certainty of his god, it could have been a hallucination or a desert demon tricking him. That is why Christianity is a BELIEF and we use annoying words like 'faith' and 'hope'. Strong relationships are formed on uncertainty.
In line with this Christian evidence for God is light, making theism a belief involving faith, hope, and love.
(June 1, 2013 at 5:38 am)Consilius Wrote: Please, think of a SINGLE event that, if it happened right now, would undoubtably prove God's existence. I can ASSURE you it doesn't exist.
I can think of one right off the top of my head. God popping over and saying, "Hi."
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You would claim you heard someone else. The scientific community would claim you are delusional. Even the Christians would say that you are simply insane. Stuff like that, even if it DID succeed in making you a theist, would simply imply that God is there, not that he is omnipotent or gracious. It simply isn't an option.
