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What Are Miracles...
RE: What Are Miracles...
(June 1, 2013 at 11:51 pm)Consilius Wrote: any religions tell stories about the world's genesis, but at the heart of it we have a God who makes the universe, and a rebellious mankind that is responsible for sin. That is all that is needed for the Christian salvation story. I agree that what is in the Bible up to the story of Abraham is probably not historical account—even the scripture writers weren't there at the time. The contents of Genesis is oral tradition with obscured facts because the value that Christians place on it lies in their message. Whether or not these things actually happened is simply a perk.

Whether religions agree on a core message has nothing to do with whether or not it is correct.

Quote:What a typical atheist would say. It's all bias. Watch me do the same:
A universe that came out of nothing is an unprovable assertion based on your desire to be right. YOUR assertion has been designed so that it cannot be proven (not to mention that it has NOT been proven in a lab) so that nothing can rob you of you thinking that your right. YOU can never prove it, therefore, it can never be demonstrated to be factual and is just a wasted breath.

1. My assertion comes from what is likely to be right. I have no desire for any specific version to be correct. Whatever is, is.
2. How is it that my assertion cannot be proven? How do you know this? The fact that it cannot today is irrelevant. Yours cannot be proven, ever, and it is that way on purpose. If you described your God in any way which did not rely entirely on him being impervious to observation, you would have no basis to continue believing.

Quote:Where you are born, according to atheism, is a result of chance. Christians say it is God laying out a path for a person. Explain how you not existing in the body of a black child in Mozambique is a product of you or your parents' effort.

My parents are neither black nor lived in Mozambique. Therefore, it would have been impossible for me to have been born as a black child in Mozambique. I am the product of a combination of genetic material from two very specific human beings. I came from a single of my father's millions of sperm cells and a single of my mother's hundreds of eggs. I could not have come from anyplace else. Any variation of that, even down to it being a different sperm or egg cell from the same people, would have produced a person who is not me, as happened four years later when my little sister was born.

Quote:More bias. I am a Christian because I feel no atheist has provided a sound logical argument.

Good for you.

Quote:It doesn't matter if someone DID present a sound logical argument? When Christians say that, you give it a label…BIGOTRY.

It is not possible to produce a sound logical argument for a supernatural creator god. The basis for any such argument comes from logic which cannot be checked or verified in any way.
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What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - May 31, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - May 31, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - June 1, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 5:38 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 1, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 1, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 1, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ThomM - May 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Godschild - June 1, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Re: RE: What Are Miracles... - by NoraBrimstone - May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Strongbad - May 31, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Strongbad - June 1, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - May 31, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Little Rik - June 1, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - June 3, 2013 at 5:35 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by tokutter - June 3, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - June 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - June 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 1:55 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Drich - June 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CriticalBen - June 2, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - June 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Magic Pudding - June 3, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Tonus - June 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 2:48 pm

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