Monsanto gives up fight for GM plants in Europe

[Tiberius]

That ignores the fact that geneticaly supirior crops would displace the less supirior crops and therefor have a more damaging effect on the surrounding ecosystem than cowshit.

Have you got any evidence to actually back this up?

Like I mentioned before.....

And you ignored before.

Fuck you. I haven't ignored any of your points.

Do I really need to repeat myself. You could simply state that you chose to ignore that supirior crops decimate the other crops in the surrounding ecosystem.

Again, evidence please.

Have you ever been on the countryside?

I grew up in the countryside.

What was your intention to prove with that statement? Because it doesnt show anything, if at all it underlines my point that farmers will take influence on the surrounding ecosystems.

My intention with the statement was to point out the limitations of a farmer's influence on the local ecosystems. They do not extend to cities. A farmer switching crops does not have any noticeable effect on life in cities, as far as I am aware. If you have any evidence to back up your assertion that it does, present it.

You simply seem utterly disconected with the world, like in your previous statement.

Well, I'm not. You seem utterly disconnected with facts if you think I'm a dentist's son, or that sons of dentists are somehow less connected with the world.

alot - does not mean all. And most aid - is free - that`s the very concept of aid.

Now you are twisting your own words. Let's look at what you said:

the point of food aid - just like with any aid - is that it is given to the needing for free

You didn't say "a lot". You said "any", which in this context is a synonym for "all".

And do it without monsanto or washing food in chlorine or through destroying local farmers and the ecosystem.

I still don't think you've given any evidence that they do this.

more food = less value = end of buisness for small farmers

That is how business works I'm afraid. More food for less cost is a good deal for consumers. If small businesses can't keep up with the demand, they go under.

But you write as if it was.

I really don't. I just don't see the knock-on effect on the local ecology as big a deal as you do. I also think your ideas about the knock-on effects are entirely out of proportion. Like I said before, if it really was as prominent as you think it is, then every time a field is left fallow, we would see massive amounts of negative changes in the surrounding ecosystem. We don't.

They also grow faster.

...and this is a bad thing how?

they also grow faster, which is intended to create more harvests.

Right, and who performs the harvests? Oh yes, the farmer. A farmer is not going to change his harvesting habits just because some Monsanto seeds get in his crop. A farmer performs a harvest when the crop is ready; not a small subset of the crop. Indeed, if he notices the Monsanto crop early on, he might be able to get rid of them before they are ready.

explain.

The point of regulation isn't that you create laws saying "you can't do this" and hoping people follow them. The point of regulation is you have government agencies doing checks to make sure the laws are followed.

And negatively influence local ecology.

You've still yet to prove this, but even if you did, it doesn't make them "low quality".

And it was.

You're still debating me, so clearly you must understand my point about debates despite your assertion that this one is pointless.

Nope.

"What if" arguments are useless arguments which deserve nothing else but to be flushed down the toilet.

Only facts count in a debate.

And not your dystopic fantasy future, the existance of which depends on a if which is a word whos meaning seems to have been forgotten.

I posed a scenario for you. It wasn't supposed to be an argument. I wanted to know what you thought of the situation, and it is a very important situation in regard to this debate.

You claim that the EU is great because it listens to what people want, rather than lobbyists. Whilst I agree that some of the time, that is great, other times it is not. When what people want is dictated by lies and delusions, following through with legislation that gives them what they want is actually a bad thing.