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What Are Miracles...
RE: What Are Miracles...
(June 3, 2013 at 1:34 am)ronedee Wrote:
(June 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If you could provide some of this (b-mine) - then it would be a little easier to discuss, wouldn't it? If "careful thought and consideration" is as ethereal as the conclusion - we're going to have some problems.

Maybe just a sample, what careful thought?

What was considered?

Considered that Christians have purpose in life, Atheists do not.

Everything ends in your life.... while everything begins for us.

And the irony is that, if not for you... there would be very little to physically remind us we are on the right track.

So, keep up the good work! A lot of Christians are depending on ya!

I know that you don't care but I'd say that's way off the mark.

'Meaning' and 'purpose' is entirely subjective. I give my own life meaning, and drive my own purpose.

That said, I don't think there has to be an external 'meaning' or 'purpose' to anything. You can view that as sad, and I won't argue against it. But for me, it is exactly what it is. You don't knowp beyond doubt what happens when you die any more than we do. You can deny that, but we both know that you're belief in what happens after you die is based on 'faith' and nothing more. Assertions beyond that are meaningless, which is why often the theistic perspective on 'life after death' is rendered moot under it's own [lack of] premise.

It's like your signature says:

"To the believer no explanation is necessary. To the unbeliever no explanation is possible."

This is not representative of the views of atheists. Explanations are always possible, in fact, we drive for explanations for every phenomenom we observe in the universe (one could argue it is a purpose we have bestowed upon ourselves). The difference here is that not every explanation is a good one (assertion of divine without evidence), so not every explanation has to be accepted or given credibility.

This, I think, is where your statement is actually wrong, but I suspect you may know this already?
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What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - May 31, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - May 31, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by downbeatplumb - June 1, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 5:38 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 1, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 1, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 1, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 1, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ThomM - May 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Godschild - June 1, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Whateverist - May 31, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Cato - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - May 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by pocaracas - May 31, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Simon Moon - May 31, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CleanShavenJesus - May 31, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Re: RE: What Are Miracles... - by NoraBrimstone - May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by JesusHChrist - May 31, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Strongbad - May 31, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - May 31, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Strongbad - June 1, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - May 31, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 31, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by phil77 - May 31, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Little Rik - June 1, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - June 3, 2013 at 5:35 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by tokutter - June 3, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - June 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by ronedee - June 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Baalzebutt - June 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Faith No More - June 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 1:55 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Drich - June 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Ryantology - June 2, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by CriticalBen - June 2, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Consilius - June 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by little_monkey - June 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Magic Pudding - June 3, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by Tonus - June 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: What Are Miracles... - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2013 at 2:48 pm

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