RE: Explain to me the math behind redemption
June 5, 2013 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 5, 2013 at 1:12 pm by ronedee.)
(June 5, 2013 at 11:24 am)Rhythm Wrote: It took ghosts and magic for you to understand something...well...I haven't been privy to any ghosts or magic in my life so I guess I;m just screwed. To be fair, if the situation is as described I;d rather be screwed than be on-board. I can't stress this enough.
Ok...don't get stuck on "ghosts". There is no magic here. What is a better [explanation] is "enlightenment". By whatever means you would have.
If this whole idea of the Holy Spirit is a sticking point...you are missing the point. When a revelation comes from God, it is through the Holy Spirit, not the brain. The brain uses deduction to explain. The Spirit uses addtion to explain. For me, the connection came after that enlightenment. Explaining my process is exactly that! "My process." And that is the problem Christians have in finding common ground w/ Atheists. Even with each other!
You are exactly right when you say: "personal experience". It can only be that way! Between us and God. And our path to Him.
Nothing I say will bring you to Him. That's up to you.
(June 5, 2013 at 11:24 am)Rhythm Wrote: Then perhaps you should leave the explanations to those that do?
Then I'm not explaining "anything" at all for you?
(June 5, 2013 at 11:24 am)Rhythm Wrote: In short, if your god loves me, if your god knows me as a father knows a son, and if your god loves me as I love my own children (or even more) he's going to have to cease offering such a disturbing thing (and wouldn't it be oh so pleasant if something entirely less ghoulish was put in it's place?). Roger? If he can't, or if he won't..then so be it, but the father to son analogy shatters at that point (as does any narrative about this beings immense power)- and I just don't get to put my hand in the cookie jar...
-I'm okay with that.
(see what happens when you appeal to emotion and say -because love-? You are confronted with the brutish reality that what you have offered is entirely personal, and entirely irrelevant if I don't see love where you see love. You may also find that you don't see love here either -except- in the case of making a special allowance for a special friend. I can, in turn, granting your appeal - reverse the course of your river- explaining to you that I cannot be a party to this...-because love-)
Well...I guess its what you put into what you can see. Does it fit my lifestyle?
If for a just a second... you could see death as a necessity for life to begin? As [the means] for something much, MUCH better!
Like the birth of a child!
My neice (Amanda) at this very moment is having her first child. Amanda is in very much pain. She was in a car accident 2 years ago and broke her spine. The doctors don't want to medicate her much.
She has been in labor for the second day. There will be more pain, and blood and tears. Amanda may end-up with more, permanent damage to her spine! Or even paralysis!! And she knew this day would come!
But the end will justify the means in which "she" in this instance, and we get [there]!
Some women wouldn't have gotten pregnant. Some would've aborted the baby. My neice wants her little girl to live!
Each decision is right in the eyes of the "woman" who made it.
But only one is about LOVE for another!
Your decision is based on what you think is a horrible way to show love.
My decision is based on "whatever way" God wants to show His love.
If the blood of Christ will save me...then drench me in it! Amen!
Quis ut Deus?
