Explain to me the math behind redemption

[ronedee]

Okay...but what where you trying to put simply....I get the feeling that you might be trying to answer a question I haven't asked you Ron, or that you don't understand the question I've asked?

Is "sin" the sticking point here? Because we can't have it, and God too! Ultimately we (Christians) will be united with God and share in His divinity. Be ONE with Him. That's the only way it could be. There can be no separations at that point.

But first....let me ask you this for the sake of conversation... What does [a] God need to do to give His creation, His divinity? And without Him serving man?

Lets just explore that for a minute. Because, ultimately this is the reason for all the confusion in religion. How [a] God is going to make it all right in the end?

Omni-potent/essent sounds like there's no problem. Right? Well no! We are talking about God's own being that He's giving to us! That's a heap more complicated than waving a hand over a top hat, and a rabbit jumping out.

The Angels were the first of God's creations. Lucifer wanted to be like God. And that was because he was made apart from God. And that is why we need to be united with God as one in Heaven.

When thrown into hell, St. Michael said to Lucifer: "Who is like God?" And thus the "lie" to man: "...eat the fruit of this tree and be like God." Then the consequences of our actions...

We are cursed by God, put out of paradise and our flesh becomes mortal at God's hand, and we die. Most don't understand the gravity of the sin.

This is important, because we deny our Creator in that act of sin. And want to take the very power that created us! We had a choice. And we still do!

God wanted His creation to Love. Jesus said that we were "given to Him by the Father." Jesus bridged the gap between us and the Father. The Holy Spirit is the Love between them, and us.

There was no need for us. But Love for us. Because Love is multiplied in His creation! Your thoughts?

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I thought I explained it in [my logic] already. Humans died at God's hands, and God died at ours! To over-simplify it; We both paid the price for free-will and sin!

But if death is separation from God, then God cannot die. If the trinity is one, it doesn't make sense for one member of it to be separated from the others.

It seems that the existence of this problem is rather well known by Christians, and has been for quite some time, and that there exist significant differences of opinion as to whether or not Jesus actually experienced separation from God and/or divine retribution while on the cross. Is this not the case? You would think that a question as important as this would be worked out. Some cite his utterance from Psalms 22 in support of this claim, others say it isn't so. Don't you think God would wish to clear this kind of confusion up -- or perhaps not have it exist in the first place?

Jesus' humanity was allowed to experience everything but sin!

When on the cross Jesus experienced our sins and the death that it leads to.

When He cried out, "Father why have you forsaken me". That was the final human experience of being alone. So, Jesus was never separated from the Father but for that moment of "feeling" separated. Which was necessary to fulfill the whole human experience.