RE: In a world without God...
June 12, 2013 at 10:34 am
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2013 at 10:43 am by Drich.)
(June 12, 2013 at 10:02 am)Faith No More Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 9:39 am)Drich Wrote: Is it you experet opinion that everyone who calls them self christian actually are? Doesn't God have a say in the matter or do you think an all powerful God is bound by some chant/sinners prayer or ritual?
No, it is my "experet" opinion that Christians will quickly go to great lengths to discredit the sincerity and validity of an ex-Christian's beliefs rather than consider that their religion failed someone.
(June 12, 2013 at 9:39 am)Drich Wrote: What about what Jesus said in Mt 7:21-23? Where those who call themselves christian and did many christian things call out to Jesus on that final day, and He says depart from me you evil doer I never knew you.
Neat.
The really neat part about Mt 7 is that Christ Himself makes that statment. In that not all who call themselves Christian are indeed followers of Christ. If person "A" creates a God or a parallel religion based on Christianity, but is not the version of Christianity found in the bible, then how is it your estimation that they are indeed worshiping the God of the bible? Especially when the see and know the differences between what God had recorded and what they themselves have decided to do because they simply do not agree with what is in the bible?
And, if that person is knowingly not worshiping the God of the bible then how can that person expect to have any interaction with the God of the bible? In otherwords why would God positivly reinforce a view of Himself that He did not want believers to have?
(June 12, 2013 at 10:04 am)little_monkey Wrote:(June 12, 2013 at 9:57 am)Drich Wrote: Where do you read that?
I simply said it could not be a future event based on the current nations in the world. (Plus there was a time frame in which God spoke)
How do you mean?
Jesus (NT) came to redeem humanity because of Adam's original sin (OT).
Regarding Jesus’ birth—Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Micah 5:2: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
Concerning Jesus' ministry and death—Zechariah 9:9: “Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.” Psalm 22:16-18: “Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”
Likely the clearest prophecy about Jesus is the entire 53rd chapter of Isaiah. Isaiah 53:3-7 is especially unmistakable: “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.”
The “seventy sevens” prophecy in Daniel chapter 9 predicted the precise date that Jesus, the Messiah, would be “cut off.” Isaiah 50:6 accurately describes the beating that Jesus endured. Zechariah 12:10 predicts the “piercing” of the Messiah, which occurred after Jesus died on the cross. Many more examples could be provided, but these will suffice. The Old Testament most definitely prophesies the coming of Jesus as the Messiah.
And so on.
...So redemption is found in the NT because the OT points to it?
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Does one have to first convert to OT Judaism in order to be a follower of Christ?
(June 12, 2013 at 10:33 am)Rationalman Wrote: I don't know how he communicates, thats why I asked.The God-OF-THE-BIBLE... If the God of the Bible is the God being worshiped then it can only be through the bible that His will can be decerned.
Quote:Didn't he talk through a burning bush before or something?to one man. This was an exception and not the rule (As that man lived before anything was written.)
Quote:So what you are basically saying is that you read the bible, had a good feeling about it and so decided to believe in it. God did not contact you in any way?http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
Quote:Again, i notice you didn't answer my questionYour mistaken. You have an answer just not the one you were looking for.