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On Theism & Immaterial Minds
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RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds
(June 15, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(June 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Dualism incorporates all that. If one is a substance dualist, then the belief is that the mind is a combination of causal relations (i.e. complex neuronal structures and other physical aspects of the brain) and qualia (i.e. how we experience qualities and properties of things, such as an apple's "redness").

I understand what dualism tries to incorporate. That wasn't really what I was asking, but you have just demonstrated my problem with dualism claims. Saying the soul is responsible for qualia is tantamount to a "soul of the gaps" argument.

What I was really looking for, however, was the reason that you feel that both sides of the debate are on equal footing.

Oh my bad! I was still half-asleep when I responded.

Well, it seems to me that naturalism can't account for some things such as belief and knowledge -- let alone consciousness -- while a purely immaterial outlook is on par with pink unicorns. So perhaps, what I really meant to say was that both sides are equally extreme in their claims, therefore I think a more reasonable answer is somewhere in between e.g. dualism.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 6:21 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by catfish - June 12, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Ryantology - June 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by catfish - June 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by catfish - June 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by catfish - June 12, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 12, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Godschild - June 12, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 2:39 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 3:11 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 3:16 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 3:27 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 14, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 14, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 15, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 15, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 15, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Faith No More - June 15, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Faith No More - June 15, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 15, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Faith No More - June 17, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by fr0d0 - June 13, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by max-greece - June 13, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by max-greece - June 13, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by max-greece - June 13, 2013 at 3:33 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Ben Davis - June 14, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by bennyboy - June 14, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by little_monkey - June 14, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by bennyboy - June 14, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by Ben Davis - June 17, 2013 at 7:25 am
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by TheBigOhMan - June 15, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: On Theism & Immaterial Minds - by FallentoReason - June 17, 2013 at 12:23 pm

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