RE: China's nationalism mutating into aggression
July 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2013 at 8:10 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(July 2, 2013 at 7:09 pm)Chuck Wrote:(June 29, 2013 at 6:00 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Gordon Chang, author of "The Coming Collapse of China," said...
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Is this enough for you, Chuck? Is this "valid and coherent" enough for you?
[paraphrased] Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, Gordon Chang, snarky comment.[end paraphrase]
No, given that you keep attacking one source when I'm quoting a website that cites several sources, that guy only being one of them. You've taken out part of it. Bravo. Now, the rest? You keep failing to address any more than that one area. Target fixation, much? Also, poison the well fallacy? "He hasn't made any viable predictions" you say. Well, do you have any ACTUAL information to support your own claims?? You haven't cited any sources of your own, I noticed, you just attack one of mine while blatantly ignoring the rest.
And, seriously? You respond to Cratehorus with more brevity than you do to me? You actually engage the guy who has come into this debate with nothing but bile and vitriol calmly but ME, apparently, I'm the one who gets the catty responses?
Wow. Speaks loads about you, that.
Also on that topic, I thought my initial bite-back was enough for you to get the hint but apparently not, so I'll just say it plainly: Drop the immature, catty high-schooler levels of snark, we deal with it enough from theists on this board.
Quote:The two are not muturally exclusive.
Please tell me the last time you heard of a nation that went into a banking crisis that didn't fall the fuck apart economically or at least suffer a severe economic growth hit. Banking [which is where investment, a very large part of economic growth, comes from in very high numbers] and economy are very intertwined; the collapse of China's financial institutions, or it becoming the #1 economy in the world, are VERY mutually exclusive.
That said, I found this interesting article on Reuters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/0...CG20130705
THIS is a smart move on China's part that might actually help stabilize their financial institutions and bring in higher-end manufacturing, a key element in China's economic growth.
But THIS is also most telling:
Quote:President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang have flagged for some time that the rapid growth of the past three decades needs to shift down a gear, and analysts said Friday's announcement was a signal that they intended to press on with reforms despite evidence of a sharper-than-expected slowdown.
So they might also be shooting themselves in the foot, here. If they basically begin shutting down their lower-end manufacturing in exchange for high-end manufacturing [which is what the US did, more or less] during a financial crisis, they're going to have a hard time providing financial backing for these higher-end industries. It's a gamble and if it doesn't pay off it could really cause some serious economic problems. It might not outright fuck them over but it would stunt growth quite heavily.
Also, don't mistake my suspicion towards China for hostility or the hopes that they'll collapse. Their economic downfall would not be healthy for the rest of the world's economy, and only an idiot hopes for that. Truly, I actually WANT them to succeed, for many reasons. One of which is the fact that I'm hoping if they become the most economically powerful nation in the world, our leaders in the US will get their heads out of their collective asses and realize that blowing all of our fucking money on fancy "stealth" jets that are wildly overpriced and disgustingly underperforming (I'm looking at youuuu, F-35) is NOT helping our economy and it is, in fact, retarding our growth. I'm hoping that it will shake them up and make them realize that investment in the economy, investment in education, and investment in infrastructure leads to a more prosperous nation, NOT having the biggest army-dick in the world. The second reason I want them to succeed is because, well, the more money flows through the world, the better it is for business in general. Doesn't matter where that success comes from. It could come from Russia or England or France or anywhere else for all I care. If they succeed, it will set an example of government emphasis on national development as opposed to military buildup, and that's what I'm hoping comes to pass.
