Punished for Babel?

[The Reality Salesman01]

2. Your criteria seem to be illogical.
- Correlated with your experience of reality... do you mean is material? When God is immaterial/ supernatural?

I’m afraid so Frodo. You see, I’m unwilling to grant that immaterial is real. You would have to make it seem reasonable for me to believe it before describing an entity. Then we would ponder all sorts of other questions! The very same that troubled Descartes. Immaterial affecting material, formal causes without material causes. The entire concept is fraught with question begging uncertainties.

- Can be verified independently? When God cannot be verified independently?

I know that is true so far. I know that I personally have been unable to verify any Gods, and that’s kind of a deal breaker in itself.

These criteria, if I've understood you correctly, only serve to show your lack of understanding of what constitutes God.

I would say that it demonstrates my inability to accept what you understand constitutes God. I would say that your inability to demonstrate that your idea is true, doesn’t give you any more authority on the matter.

You're way ahead of yourself. You need to work out what a God would look like if his attributes were consistent.

I have heard no attributes that are consistent with reality. How does God cause the universe into existence without a material cause? At what point did he change his mind and decide to do so? How was God subject to change before time was created? Why is God subject to logical consistencies and not the other way around? I could type an endless list of things. I’m not willing to invoke an entity to be a comforting piece of false knowledge for things I don’t understand.

I'll repeat what i mean, in case i hit home this time. God is logical as anything which exists has to be logical. Existence X relies on the internal logic of X, for if it didn't, X couldn't exist.
The theory works in both directions. We observe a logical universe <> if this universe was created then it's origin must be logical.
Actuality/potential has to be logical to be actuality/potential.

Yes. I agree that this is what we observe. I don’t see where you arrive at God. Its an assumption that you’ve conformed to fit your observation. It doesn’t have a necessary place, you just don’t think it needs to get thrown out. I don’t think it necessary to jam that God piece into a place that, to me, doesn’t have a requirement for it.