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The Tower of Babel
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The Tower of Babel
The story about the Tower of Babel presents us with some interesting questions. In this story, the inhabitants of the Earth move further away from the Garden of Eden after Adam's eviction therefrom. They all speak the same language and pretty much stick together. There is no confusion among them. No misunderstanding. No war. The Bible tells us they were all of one mind (Genesis 11:1-9). The God of the Bible comes down to see this. When he notes that they are united and their unity strengthens them, he is displeased. They plan to build a tower up to heaven. The God of the Bible doesn't merely laugh this off as foolish hubris. Rather, he sees it as a serious threat and takes steps to put a stop to it. He confuses their language so they can’t understand one another. I cannot see the Creator of the universe acting this way. But the creator of an Earth-centered fantasy world which does not exist outside the pages of the Bible did act this way. Let's take a look at this passage and see if any of the following questions seem a tad odd.


Why would an omnipotent God be worried about the achievements of men? If you have a child you want them to go as far and as high as they can in life. You teach them how to avoid the pitfalls of pride and wealth. But you don't undermine their self-esteem and tear up their job applications. You don't sabotage their efforts. If you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, (Matthew 7:11) why paint this dastardly picture of a god who hates to see his creation (children) achieve?

Why would a god who is not the author of confusion be the cause of the most significant factor that separates people? How many wars would not have been fought, lands not stolen, racism not perpetrated, peoples not subjugated if this god had left us alone to flourish in the peace we had before he decided that he did not come to bring peace but a sword (Matthew 10:34)?

Why does a god who is omnipresent have to come down to look at a city? Despite passages which tell us god is everywhere and invisible, we find too many passages that tell us the god of the Bible is corporal, has physical features and has been seen by at least 74 men (Exodus 24:1-15)

Why is the god who created the whole universe so threatened by his own creation that he is only happy when we are confused, broken, contrite, helpless and sorrowful—especially when we were none of those things before he intervened. That's like a doctor giving you poison so that you will need the medicine he wants to sell you,

The tower of Babel represents an attempt by man to explain natural phenomenon (diverse languages) by creating a god whom they could not raise above their own spiritual immaturity.

We could redeem the Tower of Babel story. Instead of looking at it as a historical account of some ancient event, we could look at it through the eyes of Joseph Campbell and see its power as a myth. Imposing modern ideas on an ancient text will not tell us what the ancient writers had in mind. However, the myths studied by Campbell existed long before he was born and the creators of those myths may or may not have been aware of the deeper meanings Campbell saw in their creations. Divining the intentions of the ancient writers is not necessary to harvest what insights into the collective human psyche may be found in their writings. So what does the Tower of Babel have to say to us?

A power struggle between generations—between parent and child—permeates western mythology. Everything from Zeus and his children to Ibsen’s Master Builder. The incumbent generation feels threatened by the generation that comes to take its place. In Greek mythology the god solves this problem by killing his children. Other gods kill their parents so they can reign unrivaled. Is there any value in a story which depicts man at his worst? Only if we read it with the eyes of understanding. In this story, we see that the end result of generation rivalry is confusion and lack of achievement.

We might also see the synergy of people working together. A community where people work toward common goals—where nobody says “that‘s mine” can be imagined. And if we can imagine a thing, we can build it.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
Short answer to a lengthy OP. Because it's all man made excrement.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
My answer to the whole story god simply doesn't like the fact when humanity is united they can over come anything and that
scared god into doing what he did. Because if humans in that story could get to heaven and close to god building a tower to heaven
that is what scared god. That means god being all "powerful" simply put humans could well overwhelm him.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
It's pretty obvious in older stories that this god wasn't originally envisioned as all powerful. The real motive of the Humans is kind of off. The verses say they wanted a tower that reached the heavens/the sky, so they wouldn't get separated from each other. No mention of wanting to do it to meet/overthrow god, or see what was on the other side of the dome, or anything. Yahweh seems to be upset by the thought that Humans can achieve something great without him, which is one of the clues that this guy is the problem. Not the solution.

The story is meant to explain why different tribes speak different languages, but the story itsself paints Yahweh in a bad light. he saw what they were accomplishing, and there's nothing in the context of that story to indicate they itnended something malicious, but somehow it offended him. Remember this is after the flood, where supposedly people had become evil enough that he had to wipe them out. So what was the issue? Why be so petty as to destroy their work, just because they weren't doing it for him, or with him in mind?

How is the jewish god not the villain in this story?
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RE: The Tower of Babel
First of all Babel is the alternate name for Babylon.  Remember, after the flood Noah's grandson Nimrod started his empire with Babel = Genesis 10-10.  Nimrod eventually expanded into Assyria and built several cities there, including Nineveh.  At one time Nimrod's Babylonia and Assyrian sectors were combined into one empire.  They flip-flopped a couple of times.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Assyrian_Empire

Anyway, at one point in time the Assyrians dispersed the Jews and so the Jews had to learn foreign languages.  The Tower of Babel (Babylon) story is based upon that.  The God character was simply the emperor at that time that did all of that.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
The story grew in the telling. IMO, Babel was just a repeatedly embellished tale that attempted to explain why there were different languages.

Clearly, that's not how languages mutate/evolve, and if God confused everyones tongue to make all the languages, the effect should have ceased at the end of the story, and not continued unto the present day.

Another instance of scripture not reflecting how the world really works.
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RE: The Tower of Babel
I'll be brief because I don't have time to go into much detail.

In our recent history, we have gone from horse and buggy to the moon, in less than 100 years. Think of what America, Britain, Russia and Germany could of achieved had there been no world war, no language barrier, and they all pooled their resources into one big space program...

Heaven is not up in the sky, it is in another dimension.

Those people lived 600 years+ (at least they did during the antediluvian period) all spoke the same language, and were able to cooperate, in other words they were very, very smart, in so much that they were able to build a device to travel inter-dimensionally.

The word "Babel" means "gate of God".....
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RE: The Tower of Babel
(November 2, 2015 at 9:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Those people lived 600 years+ all spoke the same language, and were able to cooperate, in other words they were very, very smart, in so much that they were able to build a device to travel inter-dimensionally.

The word "Babel" means "gate of God".....

Wow, that's flabbergasting. People really subscribe to that? I mean, people walking on two legs, being able to form coherent sentences? People being able to read and write?
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RE: The Tower of Babel
(November 2, 2015 at 9:06 pm)abaris Wrote:
(November 2, 2015 at 9:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Those people lived 600 years+ all spoke the same language, and were able to cooperate, in other words they were very, very smart, in so much that they were able to build a device to travel inter-dimensionally.

The word "Babel" means "gate of God".....

Wow, that's flabbergasting. People really subscribe to that? I mean, people walking on two legs, being able to form coherent sentences? People being able to read and write?

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RE: The Tower of Babel
(November 2, 2015 at 9:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'll be brief because I don't have time to go into much detail.

In our recent history, we have gone from horse and buggy to the moon, in less than 100 years. Think of what America, Britain, Russia and Germany could of achieved had there been no world war, no language barrier, and they all pooled their resources into one big space program...

Heaven is not up in the sky, it is in another dimension.

Those people lived 600 years+ (at least they did during the antediluvian period) all spoke the same language, and were able to cooperate, in other words they were very, very smart, in so much that they were able to build a device to travel inter-dimensionally.

The word "Babel" means "gate of God".....

No, they weren't making an interdemintional gate. Heaven was originally thought to be up in the sky. That's why the sky was also called the heavens, and why heaven is often depicted with clouds. This whole "it's in another dimension" came about because we started flying through the air, and made skyscrapers rise above the clouds.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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