Punished for Babel?

[The Reality Salesman01]

God isn't necessary/ undeniable as that would contradict the logic of his existence. He has to be necessary only when acknowledged. Your materialism trips you up at every step. And you insist on using it exclusively.

All you need to confront is the logical model that cannot by its nature be natural. You're refusal to go there ends this discussion now.

I don't understand why it can't be natural. You seem to think that the logical laws are prescriptive to the universe. You are convinced that there must be a God, so you are convinced that It is the one writing the prescriptions you think necessary for the universe. You say they can't be natural as if they are an entity that exists somewhere, like The Law of Non-contradiction is an actual supernatural constraint being kept in place by a God.

You take issue with me saying that the Laws are naturally there, EXIST is a non-sensical word to describe the laws. You say the laws are immaterial, if that's the case, the law of "don't run a red light" and "don't give money to gypsies" is immaterial too, as it can't be put in a jar. This is absolute absurdity. You ignore that maybe those laws exist out of necessity. Causes and effects, which by the way, always go in that order. That's another one, and it backs up the red light rule. I'm confused as to how you can see things the way you describe. I just can't make sense of it.


I say the laws are observed through our experience and are descriptive of the universe and beneficial to our ever growing thirst for knowledge. I don't have to invoke an entity to explain why I can think. It's an observation made about my experience that correlates with reality. I have no problem doing this, and then understanding that there are still things that I don't know.

You however, account for God's existence by saying it is necessity, and judge me for saying the same thing about these "laws", but to get to God, requires an unfounded assumption. This doesn't at all make any sense. A God, the way you describe it, has no properties or discernable attributes. It is an arbitrary word plugged in next to logic. The word God is indistinguishable from something that is false, and quite UNnecessary. I don't at all see where you consider yourself justified in making this assumption.