(July 19, 2013 at 8:18 pm)cratehorus Wrote: because rape is the indefesible argument for arbotion rights no sane human being would force a raped woman too carry and raise her rape baby the trauma of rape is horrible enough without a living reminder, such a thing would likely result in the mother's suicide, conservatives do not care about the poor let's remeber that.......... the rich can have a safe illegal abortion while the poor cannot afford it...... there's also the race issue that states many people of poor life in america ie non-whites lifes improved around the same time as abortion rights came into affect.....while the poor were no longer having children at 14 they ended up living much more prosperous and succesful loves they went on too college and did not result in a life of crime...... in fact there was a study suggetsing the massive crime drop in the early 90's in america was atleast a 50% direct result of abortion rihts
So I am supposed to feel sympathy for the poor because they do not have the money to kill their babies? Get real.
(July 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm a pro life liberal myself, Statler. But the laws are the laws. The point of this thread (if you read the first paragraph) is mainly to complain about religion dictating PUBLIC sevants' policy making (in the face of democratic laws already passed) and to also let me vent about the stigmatisms my society deals with on a day to day basis at the hands of ignoramus bigots who proliferate an environment of oppression.
Moral progress would be impossible if everyone shared your thought process…
1850s- “Well slavery is wrong, but the law is the law!”
1900s- “Women should be allowed to vote, but the law is the law!”
2013- “Abortion is murder, but the law is the law!”
What kind of mentality is that? This country has a rich tradition of changing our laws when they are morally reprehensible.
As for the OP, you do realize that the vast majority of those interviewed were first asked about rape by the interviewer right? So it appears that the media is the one that has an obsession with rape. These days you cannot profess to be pro-life without some irrational reporter immediately quipping, “But what about rape!?” It’s a ridiculous “gotcha question” that proves nothing in regards to the immorality of abortion. It’s illogical to justify Person C killing Person A for something that Person B did to Person C. If you were arguing for women’s rights to kill their rapists you might be on to something, but I am sure you do not favor killing someone who actually deserves it.
(July 19, 2013 at 9:05 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Do you have a socialy viable alternative for abortion?
If not (and I asked that question before) go and annoy someone else!!
Absolutely, have the baby! Societies existed just fine prior to abortion on demand. Your question is a red herring though, it’s not relevant to whether abortion is murder. Civilized societies choose what is morally right over what is most pragmatic.
(July 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: A lot of people seems to be forgetting that allowing abortion is only to provide safe abortions. Because people who really want abortions (rape victims) will try their best to miscarriage/abort their pregnancies.
Again, where do you all come up with these logically absurd arguments?
“Well since murderers who really want to murder are going to do it anyways, we should legalize pre-meditated murder and allow the murderers a safe environment to do the killing in so they do not risk injuring themselves!”
OJ Simpson cut his finger and got scratched while murdering two people who were an inconvenience to him, do you really feel sorry for him? I do not.
(July 19, 2013 at 10:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Incorrect, dickhead. I support giving the living, breathing, human being the right to choose what she will do with her own fucking body. I do not choose to elevate a gob of goo over her wishes.
Stupid? That’s funny.
1. It’s not her own body, it’s a logical fallacy to argue it is.
2. The fetus is a living human being that undergoes respiration.
You think cells are “globs of goo”? That’s funny, this isn’t the 19th Century anymore old man.
(July 20, 2013 at 2:23 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Abortion as a whole. People are going to do it. They have for as long as humans have existed and even them Jews had ways of doing it lined out in the bible. Public safety is what's important first of all.
Again, this is the same bizarre argument used above, should we set up clinics for murder and rape since people have always murdered and raped one another and this will ensure them a safe environment to do so in? Additionally, an action that induced an abortion was punishable by death under the Mosaic Covenant; it’s amazing how barbaric we are today.
