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The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit?
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RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit?
(July 25, 2013 at 7:11 am)Red Celt Wrote: This is so painful. I was going to write an explanation, but Google saved me the effort. Thanks for the laugh when you suggested that I was the one who needed educating. I'm an honours student, doing a masters in philosophy. I'm more than a little bit aware of what objective morality is and is not.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Objective_morality

Quote:Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like "Murder is wrong" can be as objectively true as "1 + 1 = 2." Most of the time, the alleged source is God; no objective source of morality has ever been confirmed, nor have any a priori proofs been offered to the effect that morality is anything other than subjective.
Great now I know more about you. Well, western philosophy tends to cast the mind quite ridged.

Good luck!

(July 25, 2013 at 6:50 am)genkaus Wrote:
(July 25, 2013 at 6:43 am)Red Celt Wrote: That isn't what objective morality is.

Sure it is.

Objective: Independent of any individuals's wishes, opinions or desires.
Morality: Code of conduct.

Objective Morality: A code of conduct that is independent of any individual's wishes, opinions or desires.

Fits perfectly.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:47 am)Attie Wrote: Well you might not then agree with what I have to say but my points are still valid.

If they were valid, I'd agree.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:47 am)Attie Wrote: In China we have many laws that are based on scientific fact and not on the will of the people. If you want to know them you can find them for yourself. I'm not here to help you out of your lazy ignorance.

Familiarize yourself with Hume's is-ought problem, you ignorant lout. That issue is the one any morality that claims to be scientific must contend with and resolve and so far none have been able to. And by the way, laws are not the same thing as morality.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:47 am)Attie Wrote: What, are you American?

Is that supposed to be an insult?

(July 25, 2013 at 6:47 am)Attie Wrote: PS. The Hammurabi code is theistic.

So?
It's not for you to decide what is valid and what is not valid. You seem to be stuck on the limitations of your knowledge in which you were educated or something.

If you're a conformist don't believe the next person to be one as well.

Your arguments are invalid and therefore renders the GR bullshit.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.
Bertrand Russell

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd.
Bertrand Russell
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The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 23, 2013 at 2:05 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by pocaracas - July 23, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 5:58 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by pocaracas - July 23, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 24, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 24, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 4:54 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 6:22 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 6:43 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 6:47 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 23, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 3:14 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Kayenneh - July 23, 2013 at 3:23 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 23, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by pocaracas - July 23, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 24, 2013 at 6:49 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 24, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 24, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 24, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 24, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 24, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 24, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Chas - July 24, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 24, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 24, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 6:03 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 7:31 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 8:12 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 26, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 26, 2013 at 4:17 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Rahul - July 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 26, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 25, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by genkaus - July 25, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 25, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Magnum - July 26, 2013 at 3:18 am
RE: The Golden Rule ? Sense or Bullshit? - by Red Celt - July 26, 2013 at 3:35 am

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