RE: Here is a interesting thought
July 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm by Bad Writer.)
This is in answer to Drich's request as to how this all relates to what Mormons believe, since he can't just trust someone who is an ex-Mormon.
Doctrine and Covenants. 93:29. 6 May 1833.
"Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be."
(See also Jeremiah 1:5)
"In the spirit world...spirits were first begotten and brought forth, and they lived there with their parents for ages before they came here." -Brigham Young
Wikipedia - The LDS Plan of Salvation
According to Mormon Doctrine, there were still choices to made in the pre-existence, and that is made clear in the subsequent ideas about the "war in heaven".
This is when you start to stray a bit from the Mormon interpretation of the account, but other than this you were pretty spot on. That's why I compared it to Mormon Doctrine, which is actually a simple continuation of many notions held about Heaven during the 1800s.
The Mormons call this wiping of the mind "the veil".
Mormon Beliefs - The Preexistence
Again, so close to Mormon Doctrine. They don't believe that people actually are these demons, as they believe the demons and Lucifer are all spirits, but they think they're being influenced by them all the time, and they have to use their "agency" to overcome these demons. Although, I tend to think that blaming the devil for bad occurrences is irresponsible of us, as that is merely shifting the blame to something we can't possibly know for a certainty even exists.
(July 25, 2013 at 12:54 am)Drich Wrote: What if..
Every Soul on this planet elected to be here. what if we begged and pleaded to be here for this chance to prove ourselves. or rather to re prove ourselves as loyal to God?
Doctrine and Covenants. 93:29. 6 May 1833.
"Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be."
(See also Jeremiah 1:5)
"In the spirit world...spirits were first begotten and brought forth, and they lived there with their parents for ages before they came here." -Brigham Young
Wikipedia - The LDS Plan of Salvation
Quote:Human beings would be born on Earth. There they would receive a physical body necessary to exaltation and a fullness of joy. On earth, they would be tested through trials of their faith, and be subject to mortality. A "veil" would be set in place to obscure humankind's memory of its divine origins, thus allowing for "walking by faith" and for greater freedom of choice by enabling individuals to make their own decisions.
According to Mormon Doctrine, there were still choices to made in the pre-existence, and that is made clear in the subsequent ideas about the "war in heaven".
(July 25, 2013 at 12:54 am)Drich Wrote: When Lucifer fell from Heaven he did not goto Hell. He fell on Earth, and 1/3 of heaven's population fell with him.
Quote:The pre-mortal Jesus Christ, then known as Jehovah, volunteered to be [the] Savior... ...Lucifer volunteered to save mankind by taking away man's agency. Nobody would be able to fail the test...[Heavenly Father] rejected Lucifer's plan. ...Lucifer chose to rebel against Heavenly Father and rallied to him "a third part" of Heavenly Father's children who also preferred Lucifer's plan. The two factions warred, and Lucifer and his followers were cast out of Heaven...
(July 25, 2013 at 12:54 am)Drich Wrote: My question is what if 'we' are those fallen?
This is when you start to stray a bit from the Mormon interpretation of the account, but other than this you were pretty spot on. That's why I compared it to Mormon Doctrine, which is actually a simple continuation of many notions held about Heaven during the 1800s.
(July 25, 2013 at 12:54 am)Drich Wrote: What if we Begged to have our minds wiped and placed on trial here for a 'life time' to prove that we/our hearts are worthy and will choose God if given the chance?!?
The Mormons call this wiping of the mind "the veil".
Mormon Beliefs - The Preexistence
Quote:None of us on earth has a memory of the premortal existence. This is because a “veil of forgetfulness” has been drawn over our minds.
(July 25, 2013 at 12:54 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe that is why so many bad things happen here, because we live/Are a brood of Demons...
Again, so close to Mormon Doctrine. They don't believe that people actually are these demons, as they believe the demons and Lucifer are all spirits, but they think they're being influenced by them all the time, and they have to use their "agency" to overcome these demons. Although, I tend to think that blaming the devil for bad occurrences is irresponsible of us, as that is merely shifting the blame to something we can't possibly know for a certainty even exists.
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