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Religion and pleasure
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RE: Religion and pleasure
(July 27, 2013 at 8:16 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:


You know, I see a lot of big words masquerading as wisdom, and yet, on closer inspection, I find them to be more worthless that religious dogma.

In fact, the tune you are singing isn't original at all. It hits all the common notes of "sacrificing the earthly pleasure", "greater joy", "something bigger than oneself", "self-sacrifice", "higher cause" etc. The only thing that changes is which altar you'd have us sacrifice ourselves on - the altar of god or the altar of society. Well, I can achieve the so-called "greater joy" without sacrificing my earthly pleasures.

Here's how the thing called happiness works. You can be happy in any one or more of the following ways:
1. Pleasure
2. Engagement
3. Relationships
4. Meaning
5. Accomplishments.

Obviously, the person who hits the high notes on all five is going to be the happiest. And here's where you and the other theists go horribly wrong. You think that without god or society giving it to us, our life won't have a meaning. That only meaning to be found in life is by "sacrificing oneself in service of god or society". That only accomplishments that count are those made while serving this so-called greater good. And since atheists and individualists don't do that, all they have left to make them happy are the baser, earthly pleasures.

And that's bullshit. Plain and simple. Yes, I am hellbent on enjoying my life to the fullest and I happen to know that without a meaningful purpose to accomplish, I won't be able to enjoy life to fullest. That doesn't mean that that purpose has to come from outside myself. In fact, I have chosen my purpose with careful consideration - so as to minimize letting go of other forms of happiness. And you know what I've found - an average Joe who defines and lives for his own purpose, however mundane it may be - is much happier than someone who's had their purpose dictated to them.

And speaking of average Joes, if your heritage is the source of your pride, then your life must have been devoid of any accomplishments. Frankly, the pride I take in my capacity to cook good food is much greater than any pride I could hold for my ancestors who may have built a city.
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Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - July 27, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by max-greece - July 27, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 1:39 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Cato - July 27, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Michael Schubert - July 27, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Kayenneh - July 27, 2013 at 2:31 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 27, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by littleendian - July 27, 2013 at 3:27 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 29, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Doubting Thomas - July 29, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 29, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 30, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Silver - July 27, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Kayenneh - July 27, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Consilius - July 27, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by kılıç_mehmet - July 27, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Esquilax - July 27, 2013 at 8:52 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by frankiej - July 29, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Walking Void - July 27, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Faith No More - July 27, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by kılıç_mehmet - July 27, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Esquilax - July 27, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by kılıç_mehmet - July 27, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Angrboda - July 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - July 27, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - July 27, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 27, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 27, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by genkaus - July 29, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Gilgamesh - July 27, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Kayenneh - July 29, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Esquilax - July 29, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Kayenneh - July 29, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Tonus - July 29, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Doubting Thomas - July 29, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by freedomfromforum - July 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Angrboda - July 29, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Doubting Thomas - July 29, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - July 31, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - July 31, 2013 at 11:32 pm
R: Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - August 1, 2013 at 3:36 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Godschild - August 1, 2013 at 4:55 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Faith No More - August 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Esquilax - August 1, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Lucanus - August 1, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Religion and pleasure - by Faith No More - August 1, 2013 at 8:51 am

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