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Free will Argument against Divine Providence
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RE: Free will Argument against Divine Providence
(July 20, 2013 at 6:23 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: P1) Humans have free will to choose otherwise than they did (libertarian).

They have ultimate choice in a non-random self-determined way? I think not.

Either:

1.

We are ultimately fully unconsciously determined.

or

2. We are ultimately entirely undetermined.

Either way there is no ultimate self-determination, ultimate moral responsibility or so called "free will".
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RE: Free will Argument against Divine Providence - by Edwardo Piet - July 28, 2013 at 10:39 am

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