(July 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: That's my whole problem with the basis of Christianity. Like I said, there is no opt-in or opt-out to God's system. God set up the system of "worship me or be punished forever" and forcing us all into it without our consent. I never signed any contract where I agreed to worship God or burn in hell as a consequence for violating the contract, but yet for some reason we're all contractually bound to that system. It's not my fault that some lady long before I was even born ate some fruit, nor is it my fault that a deity blames me for what she did.
Of course Christians will argue the might makes right position (God created us so he can do whatever he wants with us) but that still doesn't make it right.
What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
