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Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 2:01 pm
Bishop certainly trapped her, so she doesn't have a choice
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 2:34 pm
In all fairness to the bishop, Ms. Grande does have a very youthful appearance. Maybe he thought she was underage.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 2:54 pm
He does sort of have a, "You're going to stay right here" grip on her that is uncomfortably (at least from my POV) close to her breast. I wonder how she feels about this or if she's even commented on it. That would probably be the most important thing to consider.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 3:06 pm
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Bishop already apologized, like it was by mistake that he grabbed her boob and called her a tasty dish.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45381687
But it looks on video like Ariana was trying to shake off his hand and he gripped her even tighter. I mean these people (gropers) know what they're doing.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 3:10 pm
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(September 1, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Bishop already apologized, like it was by mistake that he grabbed her boob and called her a tasty dish.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45381687
But it looks on video like Ariana was trying to shake off his hand and he gripped her even tighter. I mean these people (gropers) know what they're doing.
Yea, she certainly looks uncomfortable and I doubt that pastor was completely oblivious to what he was doing... but I also try not to assume the worst of people. Definitely doeesn't look like a good situation and certainly speaks to the attitudes many men take toward attractive females in this society.
But, until Grande herself comments on the situation I will personally reserve a complete, final-answer-type of judgement.
As men, that's the most important thing we need to consider, how does the women feel/respond?
Some women may be totally comfortable with this type of touching. Some people's body language in general may not necessarily reflect what they're feeling. Just seems like a lot of internet speculation and twitter detectives.
I'll admit, it seems like a clearly uncomfortable situation for her, but I'm not banging my gavel just yet. I'd like to hear the woman herself speak on it.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 4:13 pm
Does it matter if she speaks or not ?
Inappropriate handling is simply what it is, why not arm arm around her shoulder well away from her waist or breasts ?
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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(September 1, 2018 at 4:13 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Does it matter if she speaks or not ?
Inappropriate handling is simply what it is, why not arm arm around her shoulder well away from her waist or breasts ?
Absolutely the woman's opinion in situations like this matters. The potential victim's opinion matters, yes.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 4:46 pm
(September 1, 2018 at 4:37 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: (September 1, 2018 at 4:13 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Does it matter if she speaks or not ?
Inappropriate handling is simply what it is, why not arm arm around her shoulder well away from her waist or breasts ?
Absolutely the woman's opinion in situations like this matters. The potential victim's opinion matters, yes.
Really? She's not a potential victim, what happened there was clear for all to see it's always inappropriate to hold a woman in such away that your hand is cupping under her breast, unless you have express permission.
Whether or not there was any intent to actually touch her breast is a different matter. It could very easily have been avoided by putting his arm around her shoulder, which is universally considered more friendly and appropriate. How the woman feels is very important, but it does not make an act appropriate or not.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 5:10 pm
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(September 1, 2018 at 4:46 pm)possibletarian Wrote: (September 1, 2018 at 4:37 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: Absolutely the woman's opinion in situations like this matters. The potential victim's opinion matters, yes.
Really? She's not a potential victim, what happened there was clear for all to see it's always inappropriate to hold a woman in such away that your hand is cupping under her breast, unless you have express permission.
Whether or not there was any intent to actually touch her breast is a different matter. It could very easily have been avoided by putting his arm around her shoulder, which is universally considered more friendly and appropriate. How the woman feels is very important, but it does not make an act appropriate or not.
I also agree that it looks inappropriate. But it’s not your place to tell a woman she’s a victim or not a victim. That’s her decision and her experience.
Let me repeat so you can get it through your head, this situation seems very wrong to me, from my point of view. But that’s all I can comment on is my point of view.
So like I said, I will reserve a final answer judgement on this particular situation until Grande speaks on it herself, as the woman who was actually going through this.
Personally I would never touch a woman like this unless I knew for sure she was comfortable with it. And even then I wouldn’t hold a woman like that on national television.
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RE: Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church
September 1, 2018 at 5:28 pm
(September 1, 2018 at 5:10 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: (September 1, 2018 at 4:46 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Really? She's not a potential victim, what happened there was clear for all to see it's always inappropriate to hold a woman in such away that your hand is cupping under her breast, unless you have express permission.
Whether or not there was any intent to actually touch her breast is a different matter. It could very easily have been avoided by putting his arm around her shoulder, which is universally considered more friendly and appropriate. How the woman feels is very important, but it does not make an act appropriate or not.
I also agree that it looks inappropriate. But it’s not your place to tell a woman she’s a victim or not a victim. That’s her decision and her experience.
Let me repeat so you can get it through your head, this situation seems very wrong to me, from my point of view. But that’s all I can comment on is my point of view.
So like I said, I will reserve a final answer judgement on this particular situation until Grande speaks on it herself, as the woman who was actually going through this.
Personally I would never touch a woman like this unless I knew for sure she was comfortable with it. And even then I wouldn’t hold a woman like that on national television.
Where did you get this victim rule ? I've never heard anything as silly.
Either it was inappropriate, or it was not. It is inappropriate to hold a women you clearly don't know in such a way that you fingers are constantly rubbing against her breast as she moves away from you, Whether or not it's on national TV or not is irrelevant.
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