RE: Did They Not Pray Hard Enough
July 30, 2013 at 11:38 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2013 at 11:43 pm by Fruity.)
Didn't read the whole thread, but here goes...
Why do you ask God for anything?
God knows everything, right? He knows what you will do, say, ask, and everything that he will throw (or "allow") your way. There are no surprises. Suppose you could change his mind by asking for something. Please, God, don't let my family die in the crash. God scratches his head and says, "Well, ok, son." Didn't he know he was going to change his mind? If he knew, then he didn't really change it. If he didn't know, then he doesn't know everything. If he won't change his mind, because he already knows what is best for you and has everything figured out, then why bother asking? Please, God, don't let my family die in that crash. God scratches his beard and says, "Gee, you'll just have to wait to see what I have prepared for you." You just wasted saliva for nothing. In any case, he knows everything... including what you want to say. No need to say it. Unless he likes to be reminded.
Why do you ask God for anything? When people say, I will pray for you, I think, "Poor mofo." I remember a pastor say that we need to pray with all our might. Beg God for what you want with all your might and he will listen to your cry! God will not save you from a crash if you don't beg. He wants you to beg with all your strength! Just for kicks, because he already knows tomorrow.
If you pray to have a relationship with God, then what do you call a relationship? I suppose you have to know a person deeply, hold conversations about so many things, be able to identify the character, etc. So, you pray and you call it a conversation, right? He talks back? You say yes and believe that the voices you hear in your head are him talking. What does his voice sound like? If it doesn't sound like you, you should look into getting a psych evaluation. If it sounds like you, it is you. You are answering your own questions by imagining what you think he would answer. If it sounds like someone else you know, you probably leave the God responsibility on your pastor, leaders, parents, etc. You might not even know it. How do you know his character? By what the Bible says? He's mean. Cruel. Sexist, Really, he is confusing. Unless you cherry pick. If you pray to have a relationship with God, you are really having a relationship with a delusion. If you say, it's not a voice, it's more like a conviction of what he is saying to me, that is the result of what you have learned about him organizing your thoughts in ways that seem to reflect his character. It makes sense, because that is exactly what he would say, so it must be him! No, it's you critically thinking what he would say.
So, did they not pray hard enough? They probably did. Thing is, either God ignored them (and knew he would), someone else prayed harder for them to die (and God knew about that, too, all the while they were praying their asses off), it didn't seem like begging, the relationship sucked, or God doesn't doesn't exist. You pick.
I just saw a thread "what is the point of prayer"... I guess my post here should have gone there.
Why do you ask God for anything?
God knows everything, right? He knows what you will do, say, ask, and everything that he will throw (or "allow") your way. There are no surprises. Suppose you could change his mind by asking for something. Please, God, don't let my family die in the crash. God scratches his head and says, "Well, ok, son." Didn't he know he was going to change his mind? If he knew, then he didn't really change it. If he didn't know, then he doesn't know everything. If he won't change his mind, because he already knows what is best for you and has everything figured out, then why bother asking? Please, God, don't let my family die in that crash. God scratches his beard and says, "Gee, you'll just have to wait to see what I have prepared for you." You just wasted saliva for nothing. In any case, he knows everything... including what you want to say. No need to say it. Unless he likes to be reminded.
Why do you ask God for anything? When people say, I will pray for you, I think, "Poor mofo." I remember a pastor say that we need to pray with all our might. Beg God for what you want with all your might and he will listen to your cry! God will not save you from a crash if you don't beg. He wants you to beg with all your strength! Just for kicks, because he already knows tomorrow.
If you pray to have a relationship with God, then what do you call a relationship? I suppose you have to know a person deeply, hold conversations about so many things, be able to identify the character, etc. So, you pray and you call it a conversation, right? He talks back? You say yes and believe that the voices you hear in your head are him talking. What does his voice sound like? If it doesn't sound like you, you should look into getting a psych evaluation. If it sounds like you, it is you. You are answering your own questions by imagining what you think he would answer. If it sounds like someone else you know, you probably leave the God responsibility on your pastor, leaders, parents, etc. You might not even know it. How do you know his character? By what the Bible says? He's mean. Cruel. Sexist, Really, he is confusing. Unless you cherry pick. If you pray to have a relationship with God, you are really having a relationship with a delusion. If you say, it's not a voice, it's more like a conviction of what he is saying to me, that is the result of what you have learned about him organizing your thoughts in ways that seem to reflect his character. It makes sense, because that is exactly what he would say, so it must be him! No, it's you critically thinking what he would say.
So, did they not pray hard enough? They probably did. Thing is, either God ignored them (and knew he would), someone else prayed harder for them to die (and God knew about that, too, all the while they were praying their asses off), it didn't seem like begging, the relationship sucked, or God doesn't doesn't exist. You pick.
I just saw a thread "what is the point of prayer"... I guess my post here should have gone there.
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Half Baked
"Let the atheists come to me, and stop keeping them away, because the kingdom of heathens belongs to people like these." -Saint Bacon
