RE: Did They Not Pray Hard Enough
August 1, 2013 at 8:13 am
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2013 at 8:58 am by Drich.)
(August 1, 2013 at 4:26 am)Cinjin Wrote:
Clearly, so I will let you chock this one up as another win, and I will bow out.
(July 31, 2013 at 4:06 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: The Bible is too much Babble to know what God wants for anyone. Prayer is a waste just because of this simple fact.Christ said the whole law can be summed up in two commands. What is hard about that?
Quote:Looks like all those humble folk out in India and China are going to Hell because they didn't know they were supposed to ask something of their creator. Your God is a Dick. If he knew what was best for them he'd figure out a way to send them the message. If he does, then that means it wasn't by prayer, which renders prayer, once again, ineffectual and unnecessary in this instance.Are you Jesus? Then how can you possiably know where the people in China or India will spend eternity, and/or why?
Again, Chirst said: "No one can come to the Father but through Him." Not 'no one can come to the Father but through a specific brand of Christianity.'
Quote:Then you have no way of knowing whether or not you're right. You also, therefore, have no reason to preach to anyone if you aren't even sure your story is right.That's just it sport, No one is right as there is not an absolute right.
Christianity is a Journey, as long as we are doing the best we can do and are moving in the direction of Christ we are in Grace. Meaning that we will be forgiven our 'wrong' worship in an attempt to worship God with all of our being.
Quote:Let's see (flips through the NT). Okay, so in this story book, I see that a few men wrote about a man named Jesus, and that a few elements from the story was his disdain for the Pharisees and the Sadducees. However, this character also had very clear objectives, laws, and teachings.His law, was to Love your Lord God with all of your being (Mind, Spirit, Heart, Strength) and to Love your neighbor as yourself. Everything He taught went to undergird those two laws if it wasn't about the comming sacerfice.
Quote: He never said anything such as "Go forth and...er...kinda follow what I said. Ya dig?"I disagree. He said Go out and do your absolute best. Knowing that the one person's absolute best did not measure up to another person's version of it, He gave the parable of the 2 mites. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV (the first four verses.)
Quote: He had very detailed methods on how his disciples would preach his words, he had very clear morals that were outlined, such as how the Law of Moses would be changed, and his doctrines were even very clearly definedshow me. Book Chapter and verse.
Quote:, such as how a person should enter into Heaven and how they should pray.Which is apart of Giving yourself completely over to God as I have already pointed out.
Quote: If you are a Christian, Drich, then you're a bad one, and you are probably going to Jesus' Hell, unless he finds a wayIndeed, and that 'way' your unaware of is call Attonement.
For the same grace that is extended to all Christians when they willfully sin is also extended to the Body when we with all of our minds, Heart, Spirit, and Strength try to understand and worship the Lord and still get it wrong.
It's like a 3 year old sneaking into the cookie jar and eating himself sick, even though he knows he is not allowed to do that. A loving Father can and will find forgiveness for one of his sons. (and let the belly ache be it's own punishment.)
Now take the same kid doing his best to draw out his family standing in front of their house. If the absolute standard is a reality based picture taken in HD, and the kid draws stick figures in blue and red crayons, is the Father that loves him going to punish the child for what the child drew our of an absolute and pure love? Of course not for the child took all of his ablity and made the best repersentation of his family that he could. It is the effort that the picture repersents that is important, not the picture itself.
Quote:Then, by your admission, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, Moonies, and many more strange forms of your Christianity are going to your version of Heaven since they hold Christ as the central figure of their worship. Am I right? No? What the fuck, Drich?I am not in a position to say who goes and who does not. I am sure their will be a handful of people from all religions repersented there. For we are only responsiable to what we have been given.
But I can say that Mormons are not Christ centered the are Joseph Smith centered. Catholics are pope centered, the J/W's are watch tower centered, 7th day guys from what I understand are a little too legalistic for my taste but are Christ centered, not sure what a moonie is.
In short if one takes a doctrine or hold their religious leadership in such regaurd as to have authority to change the bible, then they are not biblically based Christians. They are whatever their religion has made them to be. Even so, Christ will ultimatly judge who was 'Christian' and who was not.
Quote:So then why aren't you in awe over the Book of Mormon or Al-Quran? The Baghavad Gita is pretty amazing, and so is the Epic of Gilgamesh. Greek Mythology is so rich in details and the interactions between Gods and men are more than any mortal could hope for!Because they are empty inside.
The bible makes promises. If you do A and B God will give you C. He did. the other religions I studied make similar promises that did not pan out.
Quote:Ahem...You are a bad Christian!!!!I KNOW!!!! Even so, I am still a Christian as I have met the minimum requirements.
Quote:After about 3 hours of really trying, I figured it was all actually just between me and nothing. How interesting that you think people who legitimately try to seek answers from God are just not trying hard enough when they come back empty-handed.I said after An hour of trying to find the path you will find it. You still have to walk that path. that takes a life time.
Quote: You heard voices in your head and they didn't, and you look down on them?When did I say that??