[quote='Tonus' pid='486816' dateline='1375381549']
If we don't have the right mindset to ask, we should... ask?[/quote
A/S/K=Ask Seek Knock, ask=ask.
So if you do not have the mindset to A/S/K then you should just ask for it.
[quote]If I was trying to get in touch with a world leader by exchanging notes or calling on the phone I would take a cordial tone, yes. If the world leader on the phone told me that he would hang up unless I got down on my knees, things would get a bit awkward.[/quote]Red Herring. This is not the situation I presented.
[quote]I'm not being invited to god's black tie affair in heaven, I'm running around the schoolyard trying to figure out where he's hiding. [/quote]No. In Luke 11 you were given directions on where to meet God. instead you are running the school yard trying to figure out where he is hiding, when all the while the invite you have that gives you a direct road map is being ingored.
[quote] If he presents himself and it turns out that he's a supreme intellect of immeasurable power who has a good enough explanation for why things are so screwed up, I would be willing to humble myself.[/quote]We are told by the time we are able to see this for ourselves it will be too late.
[quote]Belief in Christ enough to take Him up on what He said do.
[quote]I think that it's bizarre that anyone would worship a person whose identity and personality are only to be discovered in a book that most of his followers either couldn't read or consider to be of secondary importance to simply believing in the person who is only to be known through the book.[/quote]Then you may want to reconsider this assumption. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the book.
[quote]I agree with this, although for me the freedom came when I finally let go of religious belief.[/quote]Freedom TO Sin is no freedom at all. Freedom From sin and the law is true freedom.
[quote]We're going in circles with this, as I figured we would. This is the third or fourth time you've reminded me that god can be found, if only we search the right way, a way for which there are no specifics.
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Because you have not asked for specifics.
Luke 11 spells it out we must A/S/K for the Holy Spirit and this personage of God will teach, direct and guide you Himself.
If we don't have the right mindset to ask, we should... ask?[/quote
A/S/K=Ask Seek Knock, ask=ask.
So if you do not have the mindset to A/S/K then you should just ask for it.
[quote]If I was trying to get in touch with a world leader by exchanging notes or calling on the phone I would take a cordial tone, yes. If the world leader on the phone told me that he would hang up unless I got down on my knees, things would get a bit awkward.[/quote]Red Herring. This is not the situation I presented.
[quote]I'm not being invited to god's black tie affair in heaven, I'm running around the schoolyard trying to figure out where he's hiding. [/quote]No. In Luke 11 you were given directions on where to meet God. instead you are running the school yard trying to figure out where he is hiding, when all the while the invite you have that gives you a direct road map is being ingored.
[quote] If he presents himself and it turns out that he's a supreme intellect of immeasurable power who has a good enough explanation for why things are so screwed up, I would be willing to humble myself.[/quote]We are told by the time we are able to see this for ourselves it will be too late.
[quote]Belief in Christ enough to take Him up on what He said do.
[quote]I think that it's bizarre that anyone would worship a person whose identity and personality are only to be discovered in a book that most of his followers either couldn't read or consider to be of secondary importance to simply believing in the person who is only to be known through the book.[/quote]Then you may want to reconsider this assumption. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the book.
[quote]I agree with this, although for me the freedom came when I finally let go of religious belief.[/quote]Freedom TO Sin is no freedom at all. Freedom From sin and the law is true freedom.
[quote]We're going in circles with this, as I figured we would. This is the third or fourth time you've reminded me that god can be found, if only we search the right way, a way for which there are no specifics.
[/quote]
Because you have not asked for specifics.
Luke 11 spells it out we must A/S/K for the Holy Spirit and this personage of God will teach, direct and guide you Himself.
