RE: Free will Argument against Divine Providence
August 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2013 at 5:15 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Did you already miss that it was clear what definition I was talking about in the first place?
The other definition doesn't deal with the issue that some people believe in the shitty libertarian definition anyway, it merely deals with the obvious; so your definition is futile, in my opinion.
You are merely talking about the fact that our will has relative freedom AFTER it is fully determined ultimately entirely. So what? Everyone believes that apart from idiot fatalists. Even full blown determinism doesn't imply fatalism.
Trivial compatabilists. The "you" that is your personality and identity is ultimately entirely unfree, (but yes indeed, so what? However many people do find this important and believe otherwise like free-tards and that's what matters... that's the serious part of the debate (the part that isn't petty).
Yes you are free to act as your will wills... guess what? Of course! That's why it's called your will! It does all that for you anyway!! That's what it's meant to do either way! That's the whole point!
Compatabilism. Compatabilism. It's a diversion from the debate based on pedantic, trivial, futilism, fucking compatabilsm. Waste of time.
(July 28, 2013 at 10:39 am)HalcyonicTrust Wrote:(July 20, 2013 at 6:23 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: P1) Humans have free will to choose otherwise than they did (libertarian).
They have ultimate choice in a non-random self-determined way? I think not.
The other definition doesn't deal with the issue that some people believe in the shitty libertarian definition anyway, it merely deals with the obvious; so your definition is futile, in my opinion.
You are merely talking about the fact that our will has relative freedom AFTER it is fully determined ultimately entirely. So what? Everyone believes that apart from idiot fatalists. Even full blown determinism doesn't imply fatalism.
Trivial compatabilists. The "you" that is your personality and identity is ultimately entirely unfree, (but yes indeed, so what? However many people do find this important and believe otherwise like free-tards and that's what matters... that's the serious part of the debate (the part that isn't petty).
Yes you are free to act as your will wills... guess what? Of course! That's why it's called your will! It does all that for you anyway!! That's what it's meant to do either way! That's the whole point!
Compatabilism. Compatabilism. It's a diversion from the debate based on pedantic, trivial, futilism, fucking compatabilsm. Waste of time.
