You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS

[Mystical]

I believe you're fighting a losing battle, Statler. That's why I'm talking to you about this. I've been arguing the very stance you face.

For one, I discounted your comparison because the legality of when a person is a person is not defined as how you believe it should be. So the comparison is non sequiter, and an appeal to emotion, thus invalid.

Ideally I agree abortions shouldn't have to happen unless the mom is dying from complications. The choice of saving herself or the baby should be hers. Rape is a tough subject with no clear answers.

Realistically, there needs to be compromise on both sides of the argument. I think the overall answer leading our society away from expensive, un needed abortions is providing alternatives and reducing the prevalence of the need for the choice, and a concurrent growth in societal maturity and consciousness. If women are on contraceptives at the time they are raped that would help. If sex ed was a reQuired subject that would help as well. Teaching kids what their choices are and the repurcuasions thereof, shouldn't even be argued whatsoever by the religious. If we teach our kids how to think, then their choices will be what we teach them. The lack of education has led to the current predicament (secular and religious alike).

The way to this resolution barring of course: totalitarianism either direction, is free public funded contraception including the day after pill as well as support services provided to post rape victims, including access to the day after pill. If they refuse those services they should have to carry out the pregnancy through lack of another legal choice or file for an extension of decision making time.

Of course there will always be problems with the illegal abortions issue. We can only look forward, towards a resolution that doesn't hurt ourselves or our society, and to do so is going to take concessions on both sides.

Wasting millions trying to draw a line in the sand is not the answer, nor are drivethru abortions.
What would help is if Police could actually enforce the laws they represent. Like by processing those rape kits, getting the funding they need to do so. And giving a shit by actually prosecuting the big cases (like colleges) and taking the little cases just as serious. Girls shouldn't feel like no matter if they report or not, it wont matter. Thats what kept me from reporting in part. Why traumatize yourself anymore than you already are?

I also think deterrants like an appeal panel where a woman must account for why the contraceptives and day after pill didn't work, along with receiving fines (as well as the father) for women who want abortions, is in order. Along with a limit on what term of pregnancy is too fargone for an abortion.

Approved abortions should only be provided in hospitals. Period. Age limitations should be decided by medical specialists in cases of underage pregnancy.

Overall if a reasonable system is made for people to adhere to and is enforced accordingly, they will start to conform and prevalence of abortions will drop. In a perfect world they'd stop. Not in my perfect world, but our perfect world. For us as a species. We could just fight eachother about it for years more, or we could start the road to reformation and answers.