Yeah, sorry: you're not going to be able to define your creationist nonsense into existence with this idea of "precision," any more than your fellow frauds were able to do so with information, or intelligent design, or all this other hokum.
So, to be clear: because the atomic structure of elements has some numeric order when viewed from an outside perspective by humans, that naturally entails design? How?
No, I'm serious: the numbers don't mean anything on their own. An atom of one element is constructed in X way because if it was constructed in Y way it'd be a different element. The numbers, the order that we see after the fact, is simply meaning that we've overlayed on top of something. It's a pattern that we see, nothing more.
Your presupposition that it means something more is something that you'd need to demonstrate, not merely... be smug about.
Mhmm, humans are good at pattern recognition. This leads to god how?
Yes. The patterns there were just the most convenient available. No doubt if the atom of the given elements were arrayed differently, we'd find some other pattern with which to classify them and predict further elements. Whether those predictions would be accurate or not is neither here nor there.
No, it's not evidence of an intelligent designer, and your leaping to that conclusion just shows your bias. Unless you can demonstrate that there actually is a design involved, then we must go with the evidence available; that these are naturally occurring atomic structures.
First of all, huge non sequitur. Second of all, quit with this dishonest hooey about evolution being an accident. Third of all, the comparison isn't even valid, because biology and atomic theory are different fields of science.
(August 4, 2013 at 1:25 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: Take, for example, the first 60 elements that were discovered on the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth. Some of those 60 elements are gases and are therefore invisible to the human eye. The atoms--from which the Earth's elements are made--are specifically related to one another. In turn, the elements--e.g. arsenic, bismuth, chromium, gold, krypton--reflect a distinct, natural numeral order based upon the structure of their atoms. This is a proven LAW.
So, to be clear: because the atomic structure of elements has some numeric order when viewed from an outside perspective by humans, that naturally entails design? How?
No, I'm serious: the numbers don't mean anything on their own. An atom of one element is constructed in X way because if it was constructed in Y way it'd be a different element. The numbers, the order that we see after the fact, is simply meaning that we've overlayed on top of something. It's a pattern that we see, nothing more.
Your presupposition that it means something more is something that you'd need to demonstrate, not merely... be smug about.
Quote:The precision in the order of the elements made it possible for scientists such as Mendeleyev, Ramsey, Moseley, and Bohr to theorize the existence of unknown elements and their characteristics. These elements were later discovered, just as predicted. Because of the distinct numerical order of the elements, the word LAW is applied to the Periodic Table of the Elements. (Sources: (1) The McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science & Technology, (2) "Periodic Law," from Encyclopdia Britannica, Vol. VII, p. 878, copyright 1978, (3) The Hutchinson Dictionary of Scientific Biography)
Mhmm, humans are good at pattern recognition. This leads to god how?
Quote:1.[/b] Were it not for the precise relationship among the first 60 discovered elements on the Periodic Table, would scientists have been able to accurately predict the existence of forms of matter that at the time were unknown?
Yes. The patterns there were just the most convenient available. No doubt if the atom of the given elements were arrayed differently, we'd find some other pattern with which to classify them and predict further elements. Whether those predictions would be accurate or not is neither here nor there.
Quote:2. Could the precise law within the first 60 discovered elements (on the Periodic Table) have resulted by chance aka spontaneously aka by accident? Or is this evidence for the existence an intelligent Designer/God who guided the outcome?
No, it's not evidence of an intelligent designer, and your leaping to that conclusion just shows your bias. Unless you can demonstrate that there actually is a design involved, then we must go with the evidence available; that these are naturally occurring atomic structures.
Quote:3. Evolution and Big Bang theories both rely upon things happening by chance aka at random. If evolution or Big Bang were credible explanations for the existence of life on earth or the existence of millions of planets in the heavens, how do either theory account for the Periodic Table of the Elements of planet earth in which the first 60 discovered elements are so precise, and so interrelated with one another, that the Periodic Table has been assigned the word "LAW"?[/color][/font]
First of all, huge non sequitur. Second of all, quit with this dishonest hooey about evolution being an accident. Third of all, the comparison isn't even valid, because biology and atomic theory are different fields of science.
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