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Encouragement and Advice
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RE: Encouragement and Advice
My knowledge of the bible sucks after so many years of being godless, but I'll tackle the ones I can because I just finished a 40 page report and am in a good mood.

(August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: 1) Do babies and children go to hell?
No because children are not old enough to understand and make their own decisions to be accountable.
Ask him if the mentally challenged go to hell for not believing.

Quote:2) Is the New Testament reliable?
Yes because the Old Testament points directly to Jesus and the New Testament.
I think New was written to fit Old and fulfill all the prophecies.

Quote:3) If God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent he created hell, so therefore how can hell be separation from God if he is everywhere?
Hell is separation from God as God chooses not to be in hell with others.
Then he isn't omnipresent.

Quote:4) Why did God create hell for eternal torment and torture?
God never mentioned hell as eternal torment and torture – Well not really, many people think dying and having nothing when they die is Torture much like the same way being without God will be torture. God does not tell us a lot about hell.
Jesus mentioned hellfire. It's not nothing, from memory, at least fire is involved.

Quote:5) Jesus took the punishment for all our sins – So based upon that to pay our debt should he not be in hell for eternity considering he died a sinner?
No Jesus did not die a sinner at all Jesus was sinless but took the burden of other peoples sin creating a paradox that he could not stay in hell because he himself was a sinner however he could get there because of the sins.
Religious acrobatics. The entire thing didn't happen, if it makes you feel any better.

Quote:6) As we know the Bible has been edited and re-written many times, do you think God would punish people for not believing when those same people want to believe but cannot because they cannot trust the Bible?
Yes because they should trust the bible irrespective – It’s God’s word and is never wrong.
If it's never wrong why was it edited and rewritten? I mean come on, how many rewrites do you get for an assignment? None, lol. God can't get it right the first time?

Quote:7) Why would God punish us for eternity in hell for a Finite sin?
It’s not that he wants to punish us, It’s because it’s basically the final straw – God did all he could during our earthly lives after which we will be removed from his presence.
He doesn't want to punish us, but he does? I thought he was omnipotent. Why did he create rules that worked against his own desires? No wonder he doesn't exist, he contradicts himself too much.

Quote:8) Did God create evil?
No God created rules in which he deemed were against what his will was, People going against Gods will are evil.
Yes, things are against god's will and you call it evil. But who created those things? Hm? God.

Quote:9) Why did God Punish Job?
Because Job was to act as an example for future generations.
To show everyone how sadistic he is.

Quote:10) Why when I started breaking away from God and asked for him to Guide me one last chance did he ignore me?
It’s because for years you have been walking further and further away and you don’t know which way to turn this is of your own making.
The bible says jesus treasures the lost sheep more than the loyal ones. He didn't reply your prayers because he doesn't exist.

Quote:11) If an Ancient Tribe has not heard about God where do they go?
They will go to heaven because they have now knowledge.
THEN FUCKING STOP PREACHING!

Quote:12) So what you’re saying is that Christianity should not be preached as people who are ignorant can go to heaven yet those who hear Gods word and reject it will go to heaven?
Yes this is correct, it is because in their heart and mind and soul they will seek God.
LOL, your friend got half of this right, the best strategy is to stop preaching. But ask him why did jesus say to spread the word.

Quote:13) Would it not have been better not to have been born?
No because God gave us free will we then decided to go against it!
What? I don't even know how the answer is related to the question.

Quote:14) I don’t like or trust the Apostle Paul, He contradicted a lot of what Jesus and the OT said, Prove it (I got stuck here).
15) When God says ‘I AM’ he is meaning ‘Mind your own business’?
No God is saying that is name is the unspeakable name that the taught to Moses.
Can't help you with this one, sounds gibberish to me.

Quote:16) Do you believe in the Book of Revelation?
I don’t know.
Well why not? I thought at an earlier question your friend said people shouldn't doubt the bible.

Quote:17) Do you believe it is in some way scriptural and literal?
I don’t know.
Weak. Push for an answer.

Quote:18) If someone decides not to believe in God throughout this life – Although God said he would cast people into the lake of fire for eternity, Do you think at the end he will save everyone?
No because God cannot show his Justice to these people if he saves them anyway?
Oooh so he believes in the part of revelation that doesn't want him dead, but wants others dead.

well god wasn't very big on justice when he let jesus died. that wasn't just. punishing an innocent for someone else's "sins" isn't just.

Quote:19) What if people in heaven pray to God to forgive them or to take pity, Surely Jesus said anything they ask for he will give them?
Yes but this does not show Gods love if he allows them forgiveness as he has to be a fair and Just God.
Your friend is giving the vibe of really delighting in the idea of others roasting in hell.

Quote:20) What is heaven like?
We worship and praise God forever!
Sounds like hell.

btw, themonkeyman, the fear of hell is really messing with you, huh? I remember thinking I really wish I was never born when I was deconverting. Hang in there, my advice is to keep as busy as possible and don't think about it. A year later you'll look back and see how absurd the entire idea is. Religion only works with constant reinforcement, if you live without it for a long period of time, it won't make sense to you when you come back to it.
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Messages In This Thread
Encouragement and Advice - by themonkeyman - August 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by FallentoReason - August 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Tonus - August 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Godschild - August 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Undeceived - August 10, 2013 at 12:52 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Captain Colostomy - August 10, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Minimalist - August 10, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by CleanShavenJesus - August 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by Drich - August 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by pocaracas - August 10, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by The Reality Salesman - August 12, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Encouragement and Advice - by NoraBrimstone - August 13, 2013 at 5:29 am

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