(August 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Chas Wrote: Objective evidence is evidence that can be independently understood by others, it is not internal.
Let's move those goal posts.
Yes objective evidence is independently understood by others. You do know that Christians affirm each other's experiences right? So objectivity as you use it needs more refining.
No, it doesn't, because this is not an example of objectivity since there is the prerequisite of being a Christian before the 'evidence' exists for you to examine. Truly objective evidence would appear to any person regardless of their belief or lack thereof. Furthermore, the 'evidence' isn't being examined by other people. There is no legitimate way of verifying any of these experiences or assertions. It amounts only to a lot of individual and 100% subjective experiences, which in almost every case is inspired by a dogma inculcated in them from an early age. Objectivity exists nowhere in this scenario.
Quote:The basis to religion, is that the choice to live morally/ with interest in your personal gain to be the best you can be... has to be a choice. You cannot have proof that goodness triumphs, you must believe it.
Why must anyone believe it? "Evil" triumphs in this world just as frequently as "Good".
Quote:Sans justice (God), your ability to achieve happiness is limited by your reality, which acknowledges unfairness.
And reality.
Quote:The ONLY point to faith is the enrichment of life.
It's too bad the majority of believers don't share your personal opinion on the matter.
