(August 10, 2013 at 6:30 am)Maelstrom Wrote:(August 10, 2013 at 6:26 am)Theo Zacharias Wrote: I think you misunderstood what agnostic is. at least for now, there is no evidence either way.
I have misunderstood nothing. No evidence means precisely what it means. You are adding a clause to no evidence that does not logically belong.
You said before that agnostics make the claim that they don't know if there is knowledge for anything. If you meant all agnostics make this claim, then it's certainly not correct. If just some of them (but not all), then I agree.
About evidence, to *rationally* claim to know that something does not exist, you need an evidence of its non-existence, e.g. the non-existance of luminiferous aether. It's not rational to claim to know luminiferous aether does not exist without evidence. The same goes for God existence. Do you claim to know that God does not exist?
(August 10, 2013 at 6:26 am)Theo Zacharias Wrote: I wonder, what do you think of some people who work on various SETI projects who believes that non-human intelligent exists despite no evidence of it so far?
(August 10, 2013 at 6:30 am)Maelstrom Wrote: There will always be nuts who chase conspiracy theory leads.
Are you saying that some people who works on SETI projects who believe that extraterrestrial intelligence exists are nuts?
Note that most of them are scientist searching for extraterrestrial intelligence using scientific methods. Are they nuts?
There are many examples of this on science.
One other example is the existence of graviton. There is no evidence of its existence at the moment. Yet, several physicists working on string theory believes that the particle exists. Are you calling them nuts too?
(August 10, 2013 at 6:36 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Quote: It means that I'm happy being a theist and that give me a reason to (stay to) be a theist.
I also have mentioned before that to change my position to atheist will most likely bring a negative effect to me under my circumstance. That's a reason *for me* not to change my position to atheist.
I get all of this, but this is by no means evidence/proof/reasoning for the existence of God. We're simply talking about your desire to be happy under the influence of religion.
I agree that there is no evidence or proof that God exists at the moment, but I disagree that there is no valid reason (other than evidence) to believe in existence of God.
(August 10, 2013 at 6:36 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I rest my case in saying that it's not logical for you to be stating that there's no proof that God doesn't exist.
Just to be clear, I'm not stating that there never be a proof that God exist or does not exist. I'm stating that *at the moment & as far as I know*, there is no proof that God exist and there is no proof that God does not exist. I'm still open to the possibility that I don't know enough or that in the future someone will discover the evidence of God existences or non-existences. Btw, what's your position in this matter?
(August 10, 2013 at 6:36 am)FallentoReason Wrote: It seems so far that you haven't reasoned your way into being a theist, which means there's a void between rationality and your belief. I'd say you can figure out *on your own* why God doesn't exist by attempting to rationalise your belief and then realising it can't be done... unless you actually have something of substance to share.
I have said my reason to (stay to) be a theist and my reason to not change my position to atheist. I don't see any argument from you refuting my reasoning.
If you think you have any argument, do you think I should change my position to atheist under my circumstance? What's the reason?
