(August 10, 2013 at 4:05 am)Theo Zacharias Wrote: I think it's not that easy. If there is a phenomenon that seems supernatural, i.e. defy known laws of physic, I think most scientist will first say that either the data is probably flaw or there probably are some hidden variables that we don't know. Even if those 2 possibilities are shown to be wrong, most scientist will say that the known laws of physic is probably wrong and they will develop a new theory that will bring the seemingly-supernatural phenomenon back to natural phenomenon.
I think the reason for this is that over the course of human history, supernatural claims have fallen into one of two categories. There are those claims that cannot be tested or verified, usually the claims of a person or group of an event that occurred once, or never seems to occur when there are opportunities to record or test it. Then there are claims that can be tested or verified, and invariably there turns out to be a logical and/or natural explanation for what happened.
After that happens enough times, I think it's understandable if any seemingly inexplicable phenomenon is approached with the expectation that the underlying cause will be natural, or impossible to verify. There are large numbers of people who will come running with prayer beads in hand when water vapor forms a pattern that looks like the virgin Mary on someone's window. Science can't verify that it isn't a message from god.
Quote:Although I wasn't born a theist, I was born in a theistic environment. The people in my environment can tolerate difference in theism (e.g. difference in belief in God as long as it does not disturb other people) but cannot tolerate atheism. Yes, I agree that this is a wrong view. But this is the reality in my environment.
This seems like a practical approach to a potentially difficult situation. It seems as if you are saying that you have decided to convince yourself that god exists, in order to avoid conflict in your social environment. But you also accept that you don't know if god exists. If, over time, your social environment learns to accommodate the atheist viewpoint, would you express your view that you are an atheist and abandon your belief in god?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould