RE: Proof of Christianity
August 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2013 at 9:38 am by Locke.)
(August 11, 2013 at 2:48 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Sure, it would give reason to take it more seriously but nothing you mentioned if true would necessitate the conclusion that Christianity is true. It's a non sequitur. Even if the bible was externally and internally consistent, even if it contained fulfilled prophecy, and even if scripture were preserved all of that gives no proof of the existence of the Christian God, the existence of heaven and hell, the existence of angels and demons and so on. Simpler explanations exist which by themselves are far fetched but in comparison to what Christianity asserts is easier (for me at least) to believe. I'll make up one: aliens did it. Life arose here by chance it seems and as big as the universe is it's not far fetched to postulate that life exists else where. Perhaps beings from an advanced civilation wanted to make up a religion and trick humans into believing it. Who knows why. Maybe they were alien sociologists doing experiments; maybe they were just spoiled teenager aliens doing it all for laughs. Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic...or should I say, miracles? Anyways these aliens convinced the primitive Israelites they were angels and one of them pretended to be God. All those stories involving God and angels? They were all aliens.
Of course I don't believe any of that but assuming what you said, I think it's a more likely scenario. We have reason to believe life can arise else where. We don't have reason to believe however that supernatural beings such as angels and demons and supernatural things such as the soul and sin etc exist. Those things are just asserted by Christianity. Maybe Moses did see "God" on top of Mount Sinai and maybe "God" gave Moses stone tablets with commandments etched into them. I'm more inclined to think that Moses saw an alien.
Again I don't believe the ancient aliens theory. It's just an absurd idea still more plausible based on what we know than "God did it." I can make up an equally tantalizing story involving time travelers.
Once you see the evidence of all those things, the Bible can then itself be put to the test to see if what it says is true and produces results that can be repeated. It has been proven, over and over for thousands of years by those who are reasonable enough to put it to the test. It has literally never been wrong.
The more evidence I press, the less rational your argument. Admitting that God exists would force you to make a decision you don't want to make - to either radically alter your lifestyle, or face the consequences.
Giving such simple, elementary answers as, "Aliens and time travelers did it," it would seem you are the one living in a fairytale. Go ahead, live it up; the dream's almost over.
Hebrews 12:28-29 NIV
"Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, [29] for our 'God is a consuming fire.'"
(August 11, 2013 at 9:00 am)Chas Wrote:(August 11, 2013 at 12:07 am)Locke Wrote: You're wrong on all three accounts - otherwise I wouldn't have reason to follow it
History, Biblical scholarship, textual criticism, archeology all prove your assertions incorrect.
That is false. The only thing proven false is the falsified evidence of dishonest individuals - the Word of God is trustworthy.
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