Abusive Theology 101

[Drich]

You must reevaluate the definition of what it means to judge. Jesus never judged anyone. Are you claiming you are unlike Jesus by judging me and informing me that I am going to Hell?

Seriously? Lol

Where to start? Jesus judges the Pharisees "woe to you Pharisees, and makers of the law you hypocrites!! He does this several different times. What was He doing when he made a whip and over turned the money changers tables and chased them out of the temple? Not to mention the judgement of the unforgivable sin He levied on the Pharisees who called the works of the Holy Spirit the devils work. Would you like me to continue to the end of days where Chirst is the judge of all man kind?

The only thing Christ tells us is not to judge someone in a man or that you yourself are not prepared to be judged, for whatever measure you use against your brother will I turn be used against you.

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Lol. ah, no.

Telling someone that the bible says they are a sinner and as such are hell bound, is like warning someone that the elevator they just stepped into will fall 40 floors when the doors close. There is absolutely no judgement in that statement. Only the fact that everyone on the 40th floor should wait or simply take the stairs. The fact that I can relay this warning places me on the 40th floor as well, rendering any judgements pointless. (Which is why Christ gave us the parable of the unmerciful servant.)

No, if I were to judge you I would have to have the authority to do so, and power to keep you in hell. You have confused my warning with the conviction and authority/power of the one who originated this message in the first place.

Again if you were on the 40th with the elevator out would it be sensible for you to condemn the person who warned you not to get in the broken elevator? Would you say he was judging you for making a bad decision?

Hehe, what a funny analogy. To answer your question first, no I probably won't think he is judging me to start out with.

But... If some whack job is standing on the 40th floor telling people that the lift is broken, I will ask him if he has informed emergency services.

If he tells me that he has not informed them because he has no proof that the lift is going to fall, I would ask him why he thinks that the lift is going to fall.

If he then tells me it is because it is written in a thousand year old book I would think: crazy!

Because I tend to be more careful I would either observe the lift or ask other people if the lift is indeed broken.

If it is not I'll happily take the lift while you climb the 40 sets of stairs.

Guess that is how we are different

And if the whack job informs me that the lift will break for me because I'm a sinner I would definitely think he was judging me.

So.. We are different in that you are willing to do and believe as everyone else's does and believes, and has no issues hinging critical life desisions on how things appear to work. I couldnt help but notice in your best repaint of my analogy you never checked the structural integrity of the 'lift.' No, you were quite content in placing your life in what the group actually thought of the situation rather than seeking the truth. Heck, in your repaint, you could have fabricated a 'lift' repairman to check it out for you, but no. Your 'proof' begins and ends on what others think or rather what others tell you to think of a given situation, and what a situation may look like on the surface.

What a funny analogy indeed.
..and your right, you and I do things quite differently.

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Lol. ah, no.

Again if you were on the 40th with the elevator out would it be sensible for you to condemn the person who warned you not to get in the broken elevator? Would you say he was judging you for making a bad decision?

@Drich...

Why, oh why, did your god break the elevator in the first place? But thanks for the tip. Because your god broke the elevator is precicely why I avoid taking the ride.

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He wasn't judging you, Fr0d0 was explaining to you if you are an unforgiven sinner, God says you will go to hell, he is the messenger not the judge. One reason God saves us is to warn others there are consequences to unforgiven sin.

If I knew some kind of grievous harm was going to happen to you or someone you love, shouldn't I warn you, isn't that something any decent person would do.

GC

IF? That one "IF" sounds like all the BS I need to hear to dismiss a claim of a god; "IF" that god indeed exists.

Why do you assume God is the one who broke the elevator?