The premise was correct but you lacked a fundamental requirement in your execution. Legitimacy/authority, you have neither and yet you stood in a place of judgement and condemnation. Christ tells a similar parable of the unmercifully servant. In short one slave, judges another slave as you did, and was found out by the Master of both slaves. When this happened the master cast the judgmental slave into prison.

just because your lot in live places you in a better social standing than your fellow slave does not make you any less of a slave, and it certainly does not give you the power or authority to judge, much less Levi a judgement against your fellow man, and force him to confess anything to you. Not that man is not ultimately accountable to God. What you have done is taken the mantel of God for yourself, which you do indeed have the ability to do in this life. However when this life is over you will be held accountable to the standard you hold everyone else.

(August 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Drich Wrote: it certainly does not give you the power or authority to judge.

Theists who make this comment should really take their own advice, especially since you are so fond of stating that anyone who does not believe as you will burn in hell. That is judging, and according to your faith you should be leaving the judging to god while you love your fellow man as he is.

(August 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Drich Wrote: it certainly does not give you the power or authority to judge.

Theists who make this comment should really take their own advice, especially since you are so fond of stating that anyone who does not believe as you will burn in hell. That is judging, and according to your faith you should be leaving the judging to god while you love your fellow man as he is.

Lol. ah, no.

Telling someone that the bible says they are a sinner and as such are hell bound, is like warning someone that the elevator they just stepped into will fall 40 floors when the doors close. There is absolutely no judgement in that statement. Only the fact that everyone on the 40th floor should wait or simply take the stairs. The fact that I can relay this warning places me on the 40th floor as well, rendering any judgements pointless. (Which is why Christ gave us the parable of the unmerciful servant.)

No, if I were to judge you I would have to have the authority to do so, and power to keep you in hell. You have confused my warning with the conviction and authority/power of the one who originated this message in the first place.

Again if you were on the 40th with the elevator out would it be sensible for you to condemn the person who warned you not to get in the broken elevator? Would you say he was judging you for making a bad decision?

You must reevaluate the definition of what it means to judge. Jesus never judged anyone. Are you claiming you are unlike Jesus by judging me and informing me that I am going to Hell?

(August 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: You must reevaluate the definition of what it means to judge. Jesus never judged anyone. Are you claiming you are unlike Jesus by judging me and informing me that I am going to Hell?

He wasn't judging you, Fr0d0 was explaining to you if you are an unforgiven sinner, God says you will go to hell, he is the messenger not the judge. One reason God saves us is to warn others there are consequences to unforgiven sin.

If I knew some kind of grievous harm was going to happen to you or someone you love, shouldn't I warn you, isn't that something any decent person would do.

GC

You should only warn us if you have good reason to make such an assertion. Telling people that they must repent or go to hell before you can demonstrate this to be true is like yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater before you see the smoke.

(August 12, 2013 at 12:38 am)Godschild Wrote: He wasn't judging you, Fr0d0 was explaining to you.

GC

Thanks for the slip. If anyone else knew this, I certainly did not until now.

(August 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Drich Wrote: The premise was correct but you lacked a fundamental requirement in your execution. Legitimacy/authority, you have neither and yet you stood in a place of judgement and condemnation. Christ tells a similar parable of the unmercifully servant. In short one slave, judges another slave as you did, and was found out by the Master of both slaves. When this happened the master cast the judgmental slave into prison.

IMO, a slave master has no moral high ground that allows him to judge anyone. If anything he should beg for his slave's forgiveness.

And I thought everything god does is good in itself, but apparently, it's good because he's god. If we do what he does, it'll become less good. So in fact, god isn't all good, he's just managed to convince you that he's good.

Quote:just because your lot in live places you in a better social standing than your fellow slave does not make you any less of a slave, and it certainly does not give you the power or authority to judge, much less Levi a judgement against your fellow man, and force him to confess anything to you. Not that man is not ultimately accountable to God. What you have done is taken the mantel of God for yourself, which you do indeed have the ability to do in this life. However when this life is over you will be held accountable to the standard you hold everyone else.

? Obviously you and I hold people to different standards than you do. Will you be subjected to my standards or will I be subjected to yours?

(August 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Lol. ah, no.

Telling someone that the bible says they are a sinner and as such are hell bound, is like warning someone that the elevator they just stepped into will fall 40 floors when the doors close. There is absolutely no judgement in that statement. Only the fact that everyone on the 40th floor should wait or simply take the stairs. The fact that I can relay this warning places me on the 40th floor as well, rendering any judgements pointless. (Which is why Christ gave us the parable of the unmerciful servant.)

No, if I were to judge you I would have to have the authority to do so, and power to keep you in hell. You have confused my warning with the conviction and authority/power of the one who originated this message in the first place.

Again if you were on the 40th with the elevator out would it be sensible for you to condemn the person who warned you not to get in the broken elevator? Would you say he was judging you for making a bad decision?

Hehe, what a funny analogy. To answer your question first, no I probably won't think he is judging me to start out with.

But... If some whack job is standing on the 40th floor telling people that the lift is broken, I will ask him if he has informed emergency services.

If he tells me that he has not informed them because he has no proof that the lift is going to fall, I would ask him why he thinks that the lift is going to fall.

If he then tells me it is because it is written in a thousand year old book I would think: crazy!

Because I tend to be more careful I would either observe the lift or ask other people if the lift is indeed broken.

If it is not I'll happily take the lift while you climb the 40 sets of stairs.

Guess that is how we are different

And if the whack job informs me that the lift will break for me because I'm a sinner I would definitely think he was judging me.

(August 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Theists who make this comment should really take their own advice, especially since you are so fond of stating that anyone who does not believe as you will burn in hell. That is judging, and according to your faith you should be leaving the judging to god while you love your fellow man as he is.

Lol. ah, no.

Again if you were on the 40th with the elevator out would it be sensible for you to condemn the person who warned you not to get in the broken elevator? Would you say he was judging you for making a bad decision?

@Drich...

Why, oh why, did your god break the elevator in the first place? But thanks for the tip. Because your god broke the elevator is precicely why I avoid taking the ride.

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(August 12, 2013 at 12:38 am)Godschild Wrote:

(August 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: You must reevaluate the definition of what it means to judge. Jesus never judged anyone. Are you claiming you are unlike Jesus by judging me and informing me that I am going to Hell?

He wasn't judging you, Fr0d0 was explaining to you if you are an unforgiven sinner, God says you will go to hell, he is the messenger not the judge. One reason God saves us is to warn others there are consequences to unforgiven sin.

If I knew some kind of grievous harm was going to happen to you or someone you love, shouldn't I warn you, isn't that something any decent person would do.

GC

IF? That one "IF" sounds like all the BS I need to hear to dismiss a claim of a god; "IF" that god indeed exists.