RE: Answered Questions
August 14, 2013 at 11:57 am
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm by Drich.)
(August 14, 2013 at 10:49 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:(August 14, 2013 at 10:15 am)Drich Wrote: (...)
This is the outline of actual 'prayer'.' Which according to Paul in 2 tim is different from supplication/petitioning god for wants and desires. Which again is not a sin, but has been separated from actual prayer. By Christ in his model prayer and through the identification by Paul.
Ok, so this petitioning god for wants and desires, does it ever work or is it a waste of time?
It works when what your asking for is in His will to give it to you.
However if you pray the Lord's prayer and learn to want what God wants, the the petitioning prayers become less frequent. I am to the point where I have found a contentment (more so than I did before, I still want stuff.) that allows me to be happy with what I have.
Don't get me wrong I still ask for health and I still do want things, but my life no long revolves around obtaining what I want.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:16 am)Thor Wrote: The Babble also tells you to cut off the hand of a woman who grabs the gonads of someone who is attacking her husband.To an Old testament Jew, yes. For the rest of us we can have our junk juggled (by our wives of course.) without cutting her hand off.
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Quote:Really? Then what about all those people who pray for help in a natural disaster?Again We have one example of what a prayer looks like. all else is petition/supplication.
Quote: You're admitting that your deity won't assist them?Just because a petition is not what Christ identified as a Prayer, does not mean God will not hear nor answer it. God will Always answer prayer in the affrimitive. God however is not bound to any thing to give you what you want when you want it.
Which answers the question "why God did not answer 'your' prayer. (Because if you were asking for stuff, you were not actually praying.)
Quote:Not to mention that I'm sure I can find testimonials from people who prayed for help and they'll swear "God" sent it.I do this all of the time. I see a need and then ask God to help me fill that need. I say something like Lord I feel you want me too help this cause out, but I do not have nothing to give nor do I know how much to give. So I will say Between this time and this time all money that we take in will be counted and say 10% of that will go to a particular cause.
I did this recently, and had just what was needed by an organization with in a few hours, even though I gave it a week.
Again it is not s sin to petition god for anything. Just know He is not bound to anything to give you what you want.
Quote:If this is true, then no one should be praying for medical cures or for help in finding a job.Why? I do not see your logic.
Christ simply says anything you ask for in prayer will be granted. You just need to understand anything you take to God is not considered a prayer. Prayer has a specific formula.
Petition can be anything. In turn God is not obligated to give you what you petition for.
Quote:Because that's how the vast majority of believers describe your deity.I would think those who are Hell bound will not find God just or merciful. Just and merciful describes God from the perspective of those who will be with Him in Heaven.