Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?

[discipulus]

And the beautiful thing about it is, is that that might just be how the spaghetti eaters find meaning in their life, by trying to persuade the lasagna eaters to convert.

That depends on the methods used to persuade.

One person persuades by the edge of the sword. Another by logical argument.

Both are acting in accordance with their desire and how they think persuasion is best accomplished. Both are doing what they find meaningful. Speaking atheistically for a moment, one is ultimately no better or worse off than the other.

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discipulus, I am clear of your motive, but We should not be considering wrongs or rights in the first place as they are as You said: objective in nature but subjective by demography.

In the end, the emotional reaction coupled with critical thinking is at the base of things. Right and wrong are based on emotional reactions like it is when seeing someone drown, but these wrongs and rights are not at the bottom. Someone from the bible clearly felt peeved when a young was found committing "adultery". Perhaps cheating caused someone distress, but there was no critical thinking involved as all whores were labelled notoriously.

Psychopathy and sociopathy (among others) should not be considered as suitable brains for determining a reaction to any event in the scope of emotions, as they are deficient of certain parameters. Only healthy brains should determine what events are signifying of pain or joy, and then assessing whether or not there is a logical coherence in such an event.

Wrongs and rights are fallible. If We did not have emotions, We would be liable to reckless harm. Slowing progress as time passes. For example, carelessly killing a captain of a cargo ship because it did not matter to You or anyone. It would be illogical to progress for killing the captain but logic is not any bit special to someone who does not feel the joy of logic for accomplishing their goals and maybe celebrating later.

I appreciate psychology to a degree as You can tell.

This is a well thought out response. Very enlightening.

In response I will state that in the absence of some sort of objective standard or law which we can appeal to to say this should be this way or that should be done in such and such a manner regardless of human opinion.....words like "should" or "ought" are simply words which follow from us expressing our individual opinions and preferences.

So at the beginning of your response when you say that we should not be doing such and such.... you are stating what your opinion is regarding the matter. Not unlike you stating that we should not eat pork or spaghetti. Many may agree and many may disagree.