(August 19, 2013 at 7:46 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:No. It is not my intention to sway or convert or convince or prove anything to anyone.(August 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm)discipulus Wrote: I comprehend the counterpoints very well.
I understand them to be the opinions of people who admit to reality being a certain way.
Reality does not care if you are angry, it does not care if you love truth and are passionate about exposing the religious hypocrite.
Reality does not care how rational or reasonable you are, or how much you know about the theory of evolution by natural selection....
Reality does not care how many contradictions you have found in the bible...
Reality does not care about how or where or when you will die.
You, like the Christian, like the Muslim, like the Hindu, like your mother, like your father, like everyone you have ever cared for, will soon die and return to the earth from whence your first ancestors arose from some sort of prebiotic slime.
What little time you do exist here on this earth will be filled with ultimately meaningless and insignificant activities, a going through the motions of life so to speak. While you walk through life like a machine fulfilling its purpose in the grand scheme of a senseless cosmos, you may construct an elaborate sense of meaning to give purpose to an other wise meaningless existence and will live ultimately as one self-deceived. Fundamentally no different than the religious man who you think is self-deceived.
You die. You are no more....
Assuming atheism is true that is.....
So?
Do you really think a transparent appeal to consequence is going to sway anyone? You think that argument is novel? It is not.
I am simply stating very plainly that if each individual determines what is meaningful and what is good, and each individual dies and is no more, then certain conclusions are inevitable as a result of these facts.