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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(August 25, 2013 at 11:06 am)Maelstrom Wrote:
(August 25, 2013 at 10:49 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: What would you class as evidence for God?

Verifiable evidence that does not require faith as its wobbly foundation.

The question has been answered by atheists countless times. There have been threads dedicated to it, recent ones even.

Personally, I require stringent evidence.

For starters, the god would have to manifest itself in a way that could be properly understood and studied by anyone. None of that incorporeal illusion crap and none of that just being a human pretending to be a deity crap.

Secondly, the god would have to perform supernatural feats that cannot be discounted as mere smokes and mirrors stage magic or technologically advanced hocus pocus.

Also, the god would have to prove it is the creator of mankind by creating either another human or an entirely new life-form that cannot be discounted as more illusion.

Lastly, but probably not least, though it may be harder to verify, one would have to discover whether the god is really a deity or merely a highly advanced alien life-form from elsewhere in the universe that possesses knowledge and power from a process of evolution.

For the one unwilling to believe, nothing will convince them.

For example, let us take your first evidence in hand. God manifesting Himself in a way that could be understood and studied by everyone. How would He do that in such a way that could not be explained away by them that are unwilling to believe it is God? If I, along with everyone else in the world simultaneously saw a bright light in the sky, and heard a booming voice saying: Jesus is My Beloved Son, hear Him and Worship Him, and did not want to believe it was actually the voice of God, I could simply dismiss it as any number of possible elaborate hoaxes. I could simply say that it was an advanced alien race using advanced technology to make everyone think they actually heard God's voice, but in all actuality, it was nothing more than a sophisticated recording broadcast by aliens.

Even if we all saw a form or shape of a man standing in the sky, those unwilling to believe could simply pass it off as an elaborate holographic image and immediately begin theorizing as to what type of technology could cause such an image.

Secondly, supernatural feats. Ok, Jesus feeds thousands of people with a basket full of fish and bread. People not wanting to believe could simply say that everyone he fed actually had brought food with them and had it hidden until He began passing the food out. Voila, the feeding of the thousands is explained!

Or, Jesus could have had everyone sit in certain places on the hillside where fish and bread had previously been placed beforehand and when He began passing it out, voila! Everyone has something to eat!

The raising of Lazarus from the dead three days after he died. It could all have been a setup if one was not willing to believe Christ could raise the dead.

Thirdly the creation of a human before our eyes could be explained away as a hallucination or an advanced alien race who wants us to worship them and as a result devised an elaborate hoax to convince us.

Lastly, if one was unwilling to believe that all of these things were of God, they could simply dismiss it as the work of an alien race.

My point should be clear. One must be willing to accept that it is possible for God to exist and that certain acts are indicators of His existence.

If one is unwilling to believe, then not even someone being raised from the dead will convince them. Jesus Himself said this.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong? - by discipulus - August 25, 2013 at 11:59 am

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