RE: Religious beliefs need to stop.
August 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
@Sword
I take a hard line with the things people extend beyond their own subjective experience of what is real. Religious beliefs extend to greater lengths than I think a lot of people want to realize. In the US especially. Votes on important issues (and some not so important) are swayed by the superstitious religious beliefs of people like you. If everyone took the same hard line towards ideas like the ones you are propagating, people like yourself would have a clear discernible critierion for truth. The hard line is not conflict, its a challenge to make people justify their beliefs with solid reasons, and not resort to faith as a conversation ender. When people get backed into an intellectual corner pertaining to their Gods, they tend to resort to…It’s just faith, convo over! I heard Sam say something and its truth is hard to argue with-“We have two ways of dealing with other countries when it comes to indifference-Conversation or War, and Faith is a conversation ender.” Unfortunately, as long as there are religious moderates like yourself, there is a safe haven for the fundamental extremist. Most Americans protect the concept of faith-truth without evidence, and this is the concept that motivates suicide bombers. These suicide bombers are not poor fools, yet they are filled with the same certainty of their God as you are about A/S/K. Extremists come from comparably wealthy families, they are highly educated with degrees, sometimes multiple degrees. This is the kind of society religion has created. A society where you can be smart enough to obtain a degree in physics and biology which can be used to construct a biological weapon with the capacity to kill millions, but also ignorant enough to think that sending the weapon to kill 100 infidel babies will award you with 72 virgins in an afterlife. Or that Jesus was born from a virgin mother. Granted, two different outcomes for these kinds of beliefs, but the foundations of both are equally intellectually and rationally bankrupt! Those extremist have moderates dwelling within our very country. Muslims who view their faith the same way you do, and they, nor you, have any basis to make any objection to those acts because they can all be derived from reading the same old books you have sitting on your coffee table. While most people such as yourself have no problem cherry-picking and casually dismissing the parts that don’t give you warm and fuzzies, the people crashing planes into buildings are reading the entire thing, and they are taking it quite seriously. They are getting the same warm and fuzzies, but they’re getting it from murder in the name of their God. It’s terrifying, and true.
Christianity has no more of a rational foundation than Islam. For all the reasons you reject any other faith, you can reject Christianity. For you to think anything else is illusory.
I take a hard line with the things people extend beyond their own subjective experience of what is real. Religious beliefs extend to greater lengths than I think a lot of people want to realize. In the US especially. Votes on important issues (and some not so important) are swayed by the superstitious religious beliefs of people like you. If everyone took the same hard line towards ideas like the ones you are propagating, people like yourself would have a clear discernible critierion for truth. The hard line is not conflict, its a challenge to make people justify their beliefs with solid reasons, and not resort to faith as a conversation ender. When people get backed into an intellectual corner pertaining to their Gods, they tend to resort to…It’s just faith, convo over! I heard Sam say something and its truth is hard to argue with-“We have two ways of dealing with other countries when it comes to indifference-Conversation or War, and Faith is a conversation ender.” Unfortunately, as long as there are religious moderates like yourself, there is a safe haven for the fundamental extremist. Most Americans protect the concept of faith-truth without evidence, and this is the concept that motivates suicide bombers. These suicide bombers are not poor fools, yet they are filled with the same certainty of their God as you are about A/S/K. Extremists come from comparably wealthy families, they are highly educated with degrees, sometimes multiple degrees. This is the kind of society religion has created. A society where you can be smart enough to obtain a degree in physics and biology which can be used to construct a biological weapon with the capacity to kill millions, but also ignorant enough to think that sending the weapon to kill 100 infidel babies will award you with 72 virgins in an afterlife. Or that Jesus was born from a virgin mother. Granted, two different outcomes for these kinds of beliefs, but the foundations of both are equally intellectually and rationally bankrupt! Those extremist have moderates dwelling within our very country. Muslims who view their faith the same way you do, and they, nor you, have any basis to make any objection to those acts because they can all be derived from reading the same old books you have sitting on your coffee table. While most people such as yourself have no problem cherry-picking and casually dismissing the parts that don’t give you warm and fuzzies, the people crashing planes into buildings are reading the entire thing, and they are taking it quite seriously. They are getting the same warm and fuzzies, but they’re getting it from murder in the name of their God. It’s terrifying, and true.
Christianity has no more of a rational foundation than Islam. For all the reasons you reject any other faith, you can reject Christianity. For you to think anything else is illusory.
