(August 26, 2013 at 6:32 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: A little bit of science will take you away from God but a lot of science will bring you closer to him. Once you understand everything that was involved in a creation of the universe such as this and ultimately humanity is becomes very difficult to see it in terms of a blind natural force.My point was that it's the opposite. In the past, people used the mystical and spiritual to explain the things that they could not explain naturally (ie, they had a little bit of science). As we learn more and more about our world and universe, we consistently find natural explanations for those phenomena (ie, we have more and more science). The logical conclusion is to expect that as our knowledge continues to increase, we fill the remaining gaps with natural explanations.
Quote:The Bible if you read what it says about the universe and Gods relationship to it, though it gets a number scientific details of the universes construction wrong (they thought the Earth was flat and stood on pillars), still stands up to scrutiny today. You will it powerfully moving to read.I read and studied the Bible for some thirty years, I am familiar with it. And yes, it does get a number of details wrong, because it filled gaps in knowledge with mystical and spiritual explanations. I don't find that it stands up to scrutiny.
Quote:I already went through the atheist stage in my mid teens to mid 20s so I've given it a decent go.I was raised Christian and followed that path devoutly for many years. I eventually drifted from it as I tried to make it work logically and found it more and more difficult to paper over the flaws and inconsistencies. I did not set out to be an atheist nor did I seek to disprove the Bible or my beliefs. On the contrary; I deliberately avoided the more overt challenges to god and religion and put up a wall of confirmation bias and obfuscation to protect myself. But trying to confirm "the truth" by denying what I found to actually be true didn't work very well.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould