(August 26, 2013 at 11:39 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: You're focused on the point that suits you. You just said "no", but no where does it say that YOU get to choose what you give credence to and what you dismiss. That is cherry picking dude! The stuff I put up there about God saying he was gonna send wild animals in to eat people's babies...You can't just glaze over that stuff. It's in your book! You really can't see the sense we're making to you right now? You've got to get out of those trees. You're in the forest...just walk out!
Your point may be valid if I were a bronze age Jew living under the Rabbinical Jewish Law, which I'm not. Your point would be valid if I were a very strict Biblical literalist, which I'm not. The Bible is a spiritual tool, the most potent known to man, that describes humanity relationship to God, to each other and to the world. It doesn't matter that we don't still offer God burnt offerings at the temple, or have our foreskins cut-off, or believe/follow literally every single word, we can think for ourselves. Anyway if Gods threats kept his chosen people from straying and worshiping Baal or whatever then perhaps it did it's job. You can't argue with the results.
Quote:There are Christians that would dismiss you as being Christian for the types of things you have dismissed here so far. Christians that believe so many things are to be taken literal, and they believe it with the same certainty as you when you casually dismiss it.
And there are Christians who would agree with me so whats your point?
Quote:These people think THEY are right, and YOU are wrong. But guess what? It doesn't say that either! There's no limit to the amount of embellishment that God has given you permission to add to that book.
Christ, his teaching and his eternal salvation from sin and death is the only embellishment you need. The rest is academic, of historical interest concerning an ancient culture who God chose to set the way for the coming of the Christ on Earth. And you have all the prophecies concerning him in there of course. There were early Christians who wanted to ditch the OT for the reasons you bring up but then there is a lot of very good content we would have lost.
Quote:This is a problem for your religion. You people can't even get on the same page about the God you're serving, and yet you all call yourselves Christians.
Because we're individuals, we're all different.
We're going to disagree and have different interpretations/opinions. We're not a clone army just regular everyday people with a faith in a God and Jesus Christ.
Quote:Why in the world would we believe, that out of the countless other Christians in the world preaching about a different bible, YOU are the one that ACTUALLY knows the right stuff
It's just my own views on it. I think I have the right idea but some Christians are going to disagree with me, certainly the right wing/conservative Christians would seeing I'm a liberal Christian with a modernist approach.
Quote:and that we should listen to YOU when you tell us to just ignore the crazy shit God wanted, threatened, authorized, sanctioned, and demanded in some parts, because YOU say that's not the REAL God?
I'm just defending my own take on the Christian faith against the points you're making. Some of the defenses are what I have read elsewhere some of it is my own interpretation. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that there are parts of the Bible I don't particularly follow or like but I'm not particularly a bronze age Jew either. Jesus Christ what he taught and did I certainly like and there are various books of the OT I like such as Genesis (most of it), Exodus, Psalms, Job, Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Ecclesiates and Ezekiel.
Quote: Do you realize how stupid you sound? Everything you say in support of the bible is intellectually bankrupt and morally corrupt. But, you know what? Screw it. Reason be damned, you just keep on rocking that foil hat, dude!
Well that's your opinion. I think I've done a good job here of presenting Christianity in a rational and positive light for the 21st century and I've addressed all of your concerns and objections as best I can.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.